**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 7 23:36:11 2003 Feb 07 23:36:11 --> You are now talking on #TheTradeGuild Feb 07 23:36:11 --- Topic for #TheTradeGuild is Trade Guilding Meeting will take place at 7 pm EST, Friday, Feb 7th Feb 07 23:36:11 --- Topic for #TheTradeGuild set by Hirokache at Thu Feb 6 18:40:37 Feb 07 23:36:24 hi Feb 07 23:36:36 mind if I watch? Feb 07 23:37:11 I'm not too likely to become a trader, but the traders' guild thread is absolutely fascinating Feb 07 23:37:33 and you might want some potential customers to comment on some things ;) Feb 07 23:41:53 and someone was going to post the logs anyway ;) Feb 07 23:48:10 --> Earwin (earwin@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #TheTradeGuild Feb 07 23:48:25 Hello Feb 07 23:49:26 hi Feb 07 23:53:15 --> Ahmeni (Setau@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 07 23:53:58 --> DWing010[NRP] (DWing010_N@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 07 23:54:25 --> Hellinar (tdtravel@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 07 23:54:31 --- Hirokache_Away is now known as Hirokache Feb 07 23:54:40 Now to just figure out logging on this danged client. Feb 07 23:54:55 Ah, this looks like the right place Feb 07 23:55:00 * FaceAnkh|afk is logging Feb 07 23:55:08 I can post logs later if you like Feb 07 23:55:18 Okay, I think I'm logging now. Feb 07 23:55:31 ? Feb 07 23:55:39 Though I'm going to restart to be sure Feb 07 23:55:41 <-- Ahmeni has quit (Quit: fractal 1.0.9b60 - ONLINE: Computerese for "The damn board finally answered!" - http://fractalscript.com) Feb 07 23:55:49 --> Ahmeni (Setau@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 07 23:55:59 test Feb 07 23:56:05 I am in and out of the kitchen but will follow along :) Feb 07 23:56:05 Woo. Feb 07 23:56:19 Howdy folks Feb 07 23:56:24 Hi Feb 07 23:56:25 Heya Hiro Feb 07 23:56:36 Hi Hiro Feb 07 23:57:04 Do one or two people want to volunteer as back up secretaries and take a log of the meeting? Feb 07 23:57:11 Hi Feb 07 23:57:14 I'll log and edit. Feb 07 23:57:25 Thanks. Feb 07 23:57:36 Hi to the early crowd! Feb 07 23:57:47 I'll keep an eye on ATITD irc and direct people here Feb 07 23:57:49 Allo Hellinar Feb 07 23:57:56 Who was living next to me the entire time! ;) Feb 07 23:58:34 Any signs of Lun-Ur? Feb 07 23:58:52 Thanks Earwin ... haven't figured out the quick wy to switch between the channels I'm in yet here Feb 07 23:59:01 --> Lun-Ur[Trader] (Lun-Ur@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #THETRADEGUILD Feb 07 23:59:05 Yep Feb 07 23:59:09 ;p Feb 07 23:59:12 Hi Feb 07 23:59:20 Hi Lun-Ur[Trader] Feb 07 23:59:21 Hello Lun Feb 07 23:59:33 * DWing010[NRP] is writing Java, but is here Feb 07 23:59:36 Speak of the devil.. Feb 07 23:59:45 --> chephren|afk (nycgeoff@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #TheTradeGuild Feb 07 23:59:48 hi all Feb 07 23:59:54 I'm the devil? Feb 07 23:59:55 allo Chephren Feb 07 23:59:59 --- chephren|afk is now known as Chephren Feb 08 00:00:00 Evening chephren Feb 08 00:00:11 * Hellinar wishes he could talk and write Java at the same time Feb 08 00:00:40 It is a power that comes at great cost. Feb 08 00:01:01 hehe, how many more bugs do you end up with while multitasking like that? Feb 08 00:01:19 --> obiwan (homegrown@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:01:19 Oh, the clock tower is ringing here Feb 08 00:01:27 Must be time to start :) Feb 08 00:01:29 --> Sprocket (anon42@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #TheTradeGuild Feb 08 00:01:33 --> otter (dianascan@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:01:37 Hi Sprocket, otter Feb 08 00:01:42 hi Feb 08 00:02:16 hi guys Feb 08 00:02:22 just here to say hi since I wont be playing rally Feb 08 00:02:53 * otter thinks of blackmarket warping.... Feb 08 00:02:57 Feel free to join the discussion if you'd like Feb 08 00:02:57 Going into tonight I think the only thing we have set in stone is one policy: A Trader's Guild will not restrict members to one guild only. It seems everything else still needs to be hashed out. Feb 08 00:02:57 naaaaa Feb 08 00:03:00 rally or really? Feb 08 00:03:05 Is it ok to join the meeting even if I dont plan to join the trade guild? (at least not as primary guild) Feb 08 00:03:08 <-- Hellinar has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Feb 08 00:03:17 --> Dragynne (dragynne@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #TheTradeGuild Feb 08 00:03:22 yes, please do Sprocket :) Feb 08 00:03:28 more the merrier Feb 08 00:03:30 Nope go away Sprocket :) Feb 08 00:03:34 <-- Dragynne (dragynne@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has left #TheTradeGuild Feb 08 00:03:39 =] Feb 08 00:03:39 <-- otter (dianascan@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has left #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:03:50 Isn' Feb 08 00:03:53 Isn Feb 08 00:03:56 Grrrrr Feb 08 00:04:15 Isn't the number one issue for a trader and guild TRUST? Feb 08 00:04:29 Definately Feb 08 00:04:29 The first step I think is to work out something of a game plan for the first week Feb 08 00:04:29 IF we get a bad apple we are DOA Feb 08 00:04:40 either that or ruthless control of the means of production :) Feb 08 00:04:54 --> Hellinar (tdtravel@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:05:12 Quite true, and how to deal with that is another topic in need of addressing, we can start with that instead :) Feb 08 00:05:22 Actually supply Chep, like emron Feb 08 00:05:47 How would you suggest avoiding such bad apples Earwin? Feb 08 00:06:22 --> Magon[NRP] (magon@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:06:44 needs to be an established trader? Feb 08 00:06:45 I don't know Hiro and it does worry me. What is the status on chest access restrictions? Are there guild chest that memeber can put things in but only eldars can remove? Feb 08 00:07:14 Not necesarrily an established trader. Feb 08 00:07:28 what about a deposit?? if reports of bad apples are found then that deposit can cover damages Feb 08 00:07:29 That I'm not sure of ... does anyone else know? Feb 08 00:07:55 Maybe the guild should start as a communication device, and spin off more close knit guilds as people get to trust each other Feb 08 00:07:55 That works more as an insurance policy. That would be cool. Feb 08 00:07:59 The only chest restrictions are the guild chest restrictions Feb 08 00:08:14 No eldars chest? Feb 08 00:08:16 Yes, Hellinar is probably correct Feb 08 00:08:36 A deposit might work, but it would be a bit of a pain. Who collects it? Where do we keep it? If there number of traders i small enough its not a problem, but if there are a lot of people that becomes hard to track Feb 08 00:08:37 Well, we can make a big leap by establishing a front of well respected citizens. Feb 08 00:08:39 Start out as a loose federation of individual traders Feb 08 00:09:00 (or smaller trade guilds) Feb 08 00:09:08 --- Lun-Ur[Trader] is now known as Lun-Ur Feb 08 00:09:18 Yes, I agree with Hellinar and Lun-Ur, and I would go further and say stick to regional trading guilds first Feb 08 00:09:27 Perhaps a federation, that also offers services for a low prize to its members (such as help with getting waypoints) Feb 08 00:09:27 We could start small sub guilds that trust each other with some interconnection Feb 08 00:09:37 It would be nice to have the Trader chat channel as soon as possible Feb 08 00:09:38 Sub guilds is a lot of work to build up from. Feb 08 00:09:49 we can do both, right? Feb 08 00:09:53 and just consolidate more power Feb 08 00:10:03 in the meta-trade guild as the game progresses... Feb 08 00:10:09 If we want to get our trader channel up, odds are we're going to have to help the region that we establish in get bootstrapped. Feb 08 00:10:16 Quick poll.... right now, who would trust as a guild-mate? ... type your answer Feb 08 00:10:37 in here? Sprocket Feb 08 00:10:46 Hellinar. Feb 08 00:10:46 Yes, in here Feb 08 00:10:49 not neccesarily Ahmeni, you just need bricks and boards Feb 08 00:10:58 And canvas. Feb 08 00:11:02 somebody will get LPM Feb 08 00:11:05 There are quite a few here I would trust. Feb 08 00:11:07 I would trust everybody, but I'm a trusting role=playing soul, as arule Feb 08 00:11:14 On personal level: Hiro - based on reputation: most people Feb 08 00:11:16 But I don't think that is the best way to start Feb 08 00:11:18 I would probably trust more than that, but he's the only one I've met in game yet :) Feb 08 00:11:34 I would in DW and Ahmeni. Feb 08 00:11:35 oh.. if you can select more than one I'd trust most in this room ;) Feb 08 00:11:38 I havn't met many of you in the game Feb 08 00:11:41 --> Bellah[SOT] (bellah@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:11:45 And FA..:P Feb 08 00:11:53 What we need to establish these webs of trust in communities. Feb 08 00:12:10 I would set up my own guild, and let people in as initiates, then they can deposit stuff in chests for me Feb 08 00:12:16 I tend to trust most of the people are argue with on the ATITD boards :D Feb 08 00:12:28 i trust most until i have a reason not to Feb 08 00:12:51 If they do the same, I can have a small network of people I regularly trade with, later, we could merge guilds and do more Feb 08 00:13:01 I'm fairly trusting too... but we're talking about establishing what needs to be the MOST TRUSTED Guild in the game Feb 08 00:13:35 and we will start with a few and grow... Feb 08 00:13:37 Yup transfering 20 saphires to a guild chest could be pretty nerve wracking Feb 08 00:13:38 is it easy to remove people from a guild? I soloed in Beta3, so I have no idea Feb 08 00:13:46 Well, I think the major trust in the game comes from things in where both players make a small sacrifice so that both may prosper Feb 08 00:13:48 Would anyone here want to just be an Associate to the guild instead a Member or Elder? Feb 08 00:13:48 yes, any elder can do so Feb 08 00:14:15 what's the worst thing a "bad apple" could do? Feb 08 00:14:25 steal from a buyer instead of trade? Feb 08 00:14:28 Steal what we are helping to move. Feb 08 00:14:30 Make people stop trading with the guild members Feb 08 00:14:37 not complete a trade? steal from guild chests Feb 08 00:14:38 That there is the worst thing that can happen. Feb 08 00:14:46 I would have no problem with that myself as a start. I would have no probelm having to prove myself in game Feb 08 00:14:50 Once something like that happens, the trust is shattered. Feb 08 00:14:50 But you'll never know who griefed you. Thats why the trust and good-old friend needed... Feb 08 00:14:50 I am focussing on mentoring at first, so Initiate would be fine with me. I am just looking to keep track initially Feb 08 00:15:10 I'm not clear on the distinction between Assoc/Member/Elder Feb 08 00:15:16 who is mentoring at the start of game? Feb 08 00:15:18 I am going to be running all over Eqypt to start :D Feb 08 00:15:23 AFK one sorry Feb 08 00:15:28 obviously, as a relatively new player, I wouldn't presume to be an elder Feb 08 00:15:33 Important so we know how long we have to make the hall Feb 08 00:15:44 Elder has all the power. The other two levels can have chests which lower levels can't Take or Put Feb 08 00:15:53 --- You are now known as FaceAnkh Feb 08 00:16:13 Try this... Where is everyone planning on starting? Feb 08 00:16:15 7L Feb 08 00:16:18 VoK Feb 08 00:16:18 RP Feb 08 00:16:24 Hellinar's Retreat Feb 08 00:16:27 Undecided. Feb 08 00:16:27 VoK most likely, but not definite yet Feb 08 00:16:28 well OE, but going to RP Feb 08 00:16:30 undecided Feb 08 00:17:08 I don't plan on having any personal camp though ... I will be following my guild. Feb 08 00:17:18 So one plan is to be a trader in that region for a while and all meet in RP on Sunday. Feb 08 00:17:28 RP Feb 08 00:17:40 I'm not planning on building any buildings at all in Live, except to help build the Trader guild Feb 08 00:17:43 --> Ethros[NRP] (Ethros@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:17:46 NRP rocks! Feb 08 00:17:54 will there be more than one guild hall located across egytp or is that possible Feb 08 00:18:08 Not currently, because the chat channel is unique per Guild Hall Feb 08 00:18:15 Other regions can just have chests and tents Feb 08 00:18:16 k Feb 08 00:18:18 I'm just planning on a wood plane and a bunch of small chests :) Feb 08 00:18:22 And marketplaces, etc. Feb 08 00:18:48 joining the guild could be a hastle Feb 08 00:18:48 No one wants to live in Sinai? Feb 08 00:18:50 so, how early do we want the chat channel? Feb 08 00:18:59 i like sinia Feb 08 00:19:14 Well, the chat channel isn't crippling without, as we still have IRC, but it should be on the list somewhat early. Feb 08 00:19:22 just don't like getting there or leaving with out using waypoint Feb 08 00:19:24 I agree with Ahmeni Feb 08 00:19:26 I suggest the chat channel is needed once everyone has Nav +1 to get back to their home region Feb 08 00:19:41 so, Sunday night Feb 08 00:19:59 or early in the week Feb 08 00:20:05 30 hours should be enough to get 1000 thorns, yes? Feb 08 00:20:09 assuming we can all find thorn bushes :) Feb 08 00:20:27 Sunday night should work for me, though I could be late running down there as I have to work all day Feb 08 00:20:30 1000 thorns isn't very hard, no Feb 08 00:20:31 trying to keep up with irc and chat channels gets to be to much Feb 08 00:20:33 that accounts if people want to mentor also Feb 08 00:20:41 Ya you can do the thorn way point in about 2 hours Feb 08 00:20:49 Well, I expect i will have to, my schedule does change week to week, so I'll know then Feb 08 00:20:49 and NRP will have someone with LPM in that area Feb 08 00:21:05 Well, we all don't need to show up at once if everyone who shows up chips in a few extra bricks to build the Guild Hall. Feb 08 00:21:23 Who is planning to settle where? I will most likely end up a little north of RP Feb 08 00:21:29 ... poll ... where does everyone live on Earth? Feb 08 00:21:40 Put your time zone as well. Feb 08 00:21:40 EST Feb 08 00:21:46 NYC - EST Feb 08 00:21:46 PST - Bainbridge Island, WA Feb 08 00:21:46 Vancouver, BC - PST Feb 08 00:21:53 North Carolina, USA -- EST Feb 08 00:21:55 EST Feb 08 00:21:57 CST Feb 08 00:22:00 UK, GMT Feb 08 00:22:10 Woo UK! Feb 08 00:22:17 sorry its so late for you folks across the pond Feb 08 00:22:24 ... interesting ... all coasties except obiwan Feb 08 00:22:26 high concentration of western timezones Feb 08 00:22:37 Only 2 PST Feb 08 00:22:38 i live on third coast Feb 08 00:22:46 4 EST Feb 08 00:22:49 Texas? Feb 08 00:22:54 Houston Feb 08 00:23:04 EST Feb 08 00:23:20 So one more todo is to get more Europeans to help trade Feb 08 00:23:21 what about houston tx? Feb 08 00:23:26 im in houston tx Feb 08 00:23:32 and australians Feb 08 00:23:34 TST Texas standar Time Feb 08 00:23:36 I think I'll be doing a lot of am playing Feb 08 00:23:49 Its possible there are more who wish to ... this meeting isn't at a very friendly Euro time Feb 08 00:23:54 which is more of a european prime time, I would imagine Feb 08 00:24:06 i live in Houston Feb 08 00:24:15 where abouts obiwan? Feb 08 00:24:28 North outside Spring Feb 08 00:24:37 and u? Feb 08 00:24:38 this is logged and posted Feb 08 00:24:38 right? Feb 08 00:24:44 im just south of beltway 8 in friendwood myself Feb 08 00:24:44 Hirokache, you should get a Trader's forum set up on atitd.net. I think Tcrhin will do that. Feb 08 00:24:56 Yes, DWing Feb 08 00:25:16 I was going to ask what we thought up setting up a bit of a website Feb 08 00:25:26 I'm all for a website Feb 08 00:26:03 That way we could post info for the general public to go and look at as well as have our own forums Feb 08 00:26:19 good idea Feb 08 00:26:26 also, don't forget the regional trade forums.. Feb 08 00:26:29 --- Magon[NRP] is now known as Magon[NRP]|sleep Feb 08 00:26:42 What about using the All Egypt trade forum for now? Feb 08 00:26:44 Yes, advertising is good! Just make sure its on the links pages of atitd.com and atitd.net Feb 08 00:27:00 these seem, to me, to be farther down the to-do list, since we'll only be about 12-20 by live... Feb 08 00:27:06 I just meant a Guild forum for the members of the guild to debate Feb 08 00:27:15 out of the public eye :) Feb 08 00:27:34 I can setup that up tonight easily enough Feb 08 00:27:34 hehe, keep it public for a bit please - it's fascinating to read ;) Feb 08 00:27:42 The forum that is Feb 08 00:27:45 Yes, out of the public eye. Public stuff can stay in Guild Discussions, and Trade forums Feb 08 00:27:59 <-- Ethros[NRP] has quit (Quit: You know, you can probally blame my wife for this...) Feb 08 00:28:17 I have one more quick poll... Feb 08 00:28:19 A forum for ourselves would be as easy as throwing up phpBB (The board system ATITD.net is using), and that only takes about 15 minutes at most Feb 08 00:28:34 ... poll ... Name the Guild Feb 08 00:28:43 Join up Face, I doubt I will be a full time trader but I do like to travel so if some needs a delivery from sinai to seven lakes I'm your man :D Feb 08 00:28:58 I like The Trade Guild Feb 08 00:28:59 Egypt Trader's Guild -- ETG Feb 08 00:29:00 KISS Feb 08 00:29:01 Traders of Egypt? Feb 08 00:29:05 Free Traders of Egypt Feb 08 00:29:06 Traders of Egypt Feb 08 00:29:11 Hrm. Who was the Egyptian god of trade? Feb 08 00:29:14 The Trade Guild Feb 08 00:29:19 lol Feb 08 00:29:23 Free? You read too much into my non-profit post :-) Feb 08 00:29:32 hehe Feb 08 00:29:38 Earwin: one of the things that really interests me about this is the possibility of setting up a delivery service Feb 08 00:29:40 scratch the free part Feb 08 00:29:40 TRADE EQYPT or EQYPT TRADE Feb 08 00:30:12 Cool... the vote is split Feb 08 00:30:18 Earwin: it'd complement an organised traders guild very well.. Feb 08 00:30:26 My plan is to complet Studen of Body in the first three game days :D Feb 08 00:30:38 Sounds like a good poll for the boards then Feb 08 00:31:00 Yes, a poll sounds like a good way to settle the matter Feb 08 00:31:08 well, we have 9 days to debate it Feb 08 00:31:24 Guild Hall where? Feb 08 00:31:26 i will look up that egyptian trade god...lol Feb 08 00:31:38 Downtown RP Feb 08 00:32:02 I was thinking tentatively in that valley you mentioned Earwin ... Feb 08 00:32:03 RP Feb 08 00:32:05 A little slummy dont ya think? :D Feb 08 00:32:15 another poll for the boards Feb 08 00:32:17 Definitely RP though Feb 08 00:32:20 It's central to Egypt, unless the map has changed drastically Feb 08 00:32:25 seems like the right place to put it Feb 08 00:32:31 It needs to be central to save on waypoint juice Feb 08 00:32:35 I don't know enough about the area to know exactly where to put it over there Feb 08 00:32:44 if placed near NRP, you will have a major guild nearby Feb 08 00:32:52 That valley is probably where I will settle cause I can reach RP, Svok and OE in decent time Feb 08 00:32:59 and hopefully some public facilities ;) Feb 08 00:33:06 Is NRP a meta-Guild is a really big Guild? Feb 08 00:33:14 Yup Feb 08 00:33:18 big guild Feb 08 00:33:22 Too big for me, so I decided against joining. Feb 08 00:33:38 ~10 people from beta3 that know the game well Feb 08 00:33:39 Can you build right by the fountain in RP? Feb 08 00:33:40 I think there's support for an RP meta guild, but very little discussion on it :/ Feb 08 00:33:48 Ah, my mistake. So there's still just one meta-Guild, G7L Feb 08 00:33:58 500 feet from the fountain Feb 08 00:34:04 I believe another region was discussing one Feb 08 00:34:08 I might put out a more detailed proposal on the RP forums later in the week Feb 08 00:34:16 You can build near the fountain, yes. Feb 08 00:34:22 Does anyone know how drastic the map is being changed? Feb 08 00:34:28 Just as long as its a very short distance from the road. Feb 08 00:34:37 I think the map itself is staying the same Feb 08 00:34:43 The geography hasnt changed Feb 08 00:34:43 I think we'd have a better place down south Feb 08 00:34:49 But a lot of new schools Feb 08 00:34:59 In some ways, it might be better to be a little ways away from Downtown RP, its going to get crowded, and we may want to build more chests later Feb 08 00:35:10 I know the red lines are gone and the builder are very busy Feb 08 00:35:33 Anyone know the decay rules for live? Feb 08 00:35:33 I can document a few places in Southern RP I've discovered that would make good spots. Feb 08 00:35:33 I suggest you set up not too far from a UoW Feb 08 00:35:41 Strict Crowding system, Hellinar. Feb 08 00:35:44 ha - do we want to be downtown or be like WalMart :) Feb 08 00:35:45 Actually, the Traders can be in a spot unsuited for builders, like an area without water Feb 08 00:35:47 people will come by for seeds and cuttings too Feb 08 00:35:59 FaceAnkh, what do you think about some of those places southwest of the UoW? Feb 08 00:36:02 I think our guildhall should be downtown Feb 08 00:36:05 southeast, sorry. Feb 08 00:36:12 but we could have a "warehouse" someplace more remote Feb 08 00:36:15 if we need the space Feb 08 00:36:31 Thing is, RP got so crowded that it was a pain to run through. Feb 08 00:36:43 My Geforce4 cried at the bridge. Feb 08 00:36:44 crowding system should help Feb 08 00:36:45 but I think it's important to have a public presence Feb 08 00:36:47 Ahmeni: there are some really nice camp spots down that way, but as Lun-Ur says, it might be better to avoid grabbing a good spot if you're not going to use it Feb 08 00:36:59 Hellinar's Retreat is now full of schools and Uni's, so it will be a newbie area Feb 08 00:37:05 You're only going to waypoint in and waypoint out Feb 08 00:37:09 Yeah, the exact location will not matter a huge amount to us Feb 08 00:37:15 what about near the northern SoT Feb 08 00:37:21 Hrm. What about establishing a public presence with public facilities? Feb 08 00:37:24 in the desert Feb 08 00:37:43 where's your retreat, helinar? Feb 08 00:37:45 but we should make it convenient, no? Feb 08 00:37:50 I suggest leaving the public "parks" to the builders Feb 08 00:38:00 NE VoK, Cheprhren Feb 08 00:38:03 I think the public presence will be up to the individcuals in their various regions early on Feb 08 00:38:18 keep it near an important Egypt wide resource like a UoW - people will be happier to come to you then Feb 08 00:38:19 True. Feb 08 00:38:22 Face, are you joining NRP? Feb 08 00:38:29 for the bootstrap, yes Feb 08 00:38:36 And post-bootstrap? Feb 08 00:38:39 then I'll take some time to rebuild the public area Feb 08 00:38:41 I'm going to be writing up a petition to create a "Store" as soon as I'm done submitting the "Court of Egypt" petition. So don't think of the Guild Hall as the guild's storefront Feb 08 00:38:42 then I'll see :) Feb 08 00:38:50 By the time a lot of interregional trading is going on, and the trade guild camp becomes a necessary place to go to we shouldn't ned to worry about advertising as much Feb 08 00:39:01 <-- Earwin has quit (Ping timeout) Feb 08 00:39:03 We could have the guild hall near the fountain for Status and Advertising, and the wharehouse district that eveyone actually warps to out of town Feb 08 00:39:04 I'll sign that Lun Feb 08 00:39:18 I'm with Hellinar Feb 08 00:39:26 will these store fronts also be a type of bank? Feb 08 00:39:39 No, no, no, advertising is a constant problem. Every newbie needs to know about the Trader's Guild and how to place an order. Feb 08 00:39:44 Hellinar: have you decided where you're likely to hold the trade fairs? Feb 08 00:40:04 Place the hall near the SoA then? by the bridge Feb 08 00:40:19 In Beta3, the problem in late January was that I only new the players from December when my announcement was on atitd.net Feb 08 00:40:20 any newbies in RP will see it then Feb 08 00:40:26 I'm with Lun-Ur - advertising is probably our second-most important thing Feb 08 00:40:31 after building trust Feb 08 00:40:36 Yes ... I stated that wrong ... but the exact placement of the guildhouse will have much of an effect on advertising to newbies Feb 08 00:40:36 Agreed. Feb 08 00:41:12 My current plan is to hold a trade fair at the best game courts (Pharaoh's Playground?) as I want to create a huge all Egypt event Feb 08 00:41:12 Does anyone click on Guild Halls to read messages? Feb 08 00:41:12 Hrm. Feb 08 00:41:12 (actually, I do...) Feb 08 00:41:12 I did a little Feb 08 00:41:12 I did Feb 08 00:41:12 I did all the time .. but I was still quite new Feb 08 00:41:12 Thats good, Hiro Feb 08 00:41:12 I stopped fairly quickly Feb 08 00:41:21 sometimes Feb 08 00:41:26 we also need to get Teppy to put us on famous guilds Feb 08 00:41:30 --> Earwin (earwin@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:41:30 Guild messages are often read by those looking to start a guild Feb 08 00:41:43 I did, but most messages are not aimed at passers by Feb 08 00:41:47 Got booted :( Feb 08 00:41:54 Makes me think being in the "Famous Guilds" is importatnt, if not something even better placed... Feb 08 00:41:57 RP map: http://www.atitdmaps.com/maps/index.php?id=1&mode=1&sub_map=4 Feb 08 00:42:03 Then we need an attraction. A reason for people to come to the guild hall. Feb 08 00:42:09 Public facilites? Feb 08 00:42:15 Contests? Feb 08 00:42:15 Dancing girls? Feb 08 00:42:20 Who's going to be at the hall? I did all my trading via /chat Feb 08 00:42:36 public facilities would probably be the best bet Feb 08 00:42:39 The hall works as a) a meeting place and b) advertising Feb 08 00:42:40 Hellinar, did you sit at the Exchange all day? Feb 08 00:43:07 I don't mean for them to want to come to the guild hall specifically, just a reason for them to be around our advertising. Feb 08 00:43:13 But you'll probably want to meet fellow traders and customers at the wearhouse, where the goods are located. Feb 08 00:43:19 If you are in RP this weekend check out the area around 833, 4747 Feb 08 00:43:40 Right on the nile and at the cross roads from OE and VOK to RP Feb 08 00:43:51 I've seen that, Earwin, it looks nice Feb 08 00:43:58 The server is running this weekend? Feb 08 00:43:59 --> Pakotet (chludena@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:44:09 Hey. Feb 08 00:44:11 24 hours on saturday me thinks Feb 08 00:44:14 Planning on a 24h test tomorrow. Feb 08 00:44:21 that was the rumor teppy gave out Feb 08 00:44:27 Hi there Pakotet Feb 08 00:44:33 Hi Pakotet Feb 08 00:44:49 of course, his first rumor was 24h on thursday ... Feb 08 00:44:49 Lun, I did set at Mountain Market all day. But thats not a workable strategy in live for a single trader Feb 08 00:45:04 Did I miss much? Feb 08 00:45:33 --> Teppy[eGenesis] (teppy@host217-36-18-142.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #thetradeguild Feb 08 00:45:38 Hiya Teppy. Feb 08 00:45:39 Pakotet: quite a bit, but it's all logged Feb 08 00:45:40 hi Teppy Feb 08 00:45:43 you have, but still a good deal going on :) Feb 08 00:45:47 Hey. Gonna lurk a bit. Feb 08 00:45:48 All hail mighty Pharaoh! Feb 08 00:45:51 cool. Feb 08 00:45:53 Hello Pharoah Feb 08 00:45:57 Helping the builders right now. Feb 08 00:46:01 * Hirokache kneels Feb 08 00:46:02 Well one natural for a Trade Guild is to evolve into a bazzar Feb 08 00:46:16 the trade fairs should do that in the early going Feb 08 00:46:16 Egypt on tomorrow Teppy? Feb 08 00:46:42 if we get critical mass then I agree, Earwin, we can make it a permanent bazaar Feb 08 00:46:47 Teppy, can we get the Egyptian time and date published on ataleinthedesert.com? it will help with organising events in Egypt time Feb 08 00:46:56 The Traders are the ones that should establish the trade fairs Feb 08 00:47:12 what have we accomplished so far? Feb 08 00:47:15 Earwin, stop with the crazy logic... Feb 08 00:47:17 guild hall location? Feb 08 00:47:31 Locaton: RP for sure Feb 08 00:47:34 Sorry I get carried away Feb 08 00:47:57 Agreed re: location Feb 08 00:48:00 ... summary ... one of two names, we start spread out and meet on Sunday Feb 08 00:48:00 We should build the hall when we can see a definate center of people living in RP. Feb 08 00:48:22