14 Apr 2007 04:18:39 +0100 * Mortomes pokes TheDude. You here? 14 Apr 2007 04:30:21 +0100 whats up? 14 Apr 2007 04:32:37 +0100 A bunch of people on TS would like to see Richter banned from the place. 14 Apr 2007 04:33:16 +0100 you know you can just make a new channel right 14 Apr 2007 04:33:25 +0100 how so? abuse, or just being richter? 14 Apr 2007 04:33:31 +0100 Right now, when he goes off on a rant, the only way to have a decent conversation there is either to have everyone mute him or move to a passworded channel, it's becoming a bother. 14 Apr 2007 04:33:54 +0100 you wernt to a channel without a pw. he didn't follow you. 14 Apr 2007 04:34:34 +0100 just make a channel called "Teh Clique" 14 Apr 2007 04:34:59 +0100 why on earth would he use any service that im involved with? i thought i was head of the vast global conspiracy against him 14 Apr 2007 04:35:08 +0100 --> Refa (no.email@b857c10d.char.east.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 04:35:24 +0100 --> Telanoc (vorisj@d88131a4.dyn.2cba2d11.net.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 04:35:27 +0100 There ya go Mortomes...just point out that TheDude runs Teamspeak and he'll avoid it like the plague! 14 Apr 2007 04:35:34 +0100 He is aware :P 14 Apr 2007 04:35:36 +0100 Hi. 14 Apr 2007 04:35:38 +0100 that was before you became an unemployed bum :P 14 Apr 2007 04:35:39 +0100 Ban Mort! 14 Apr 2007 04:35:40 +0100 Yeah, right. He'll leech if he has any chance of getting away with it. 14 Apr 2007 04:35:53 +0100 Heya, Refa. Care to pillage? 14 Apr 2007 04:35:57 +0100 Speak to me, Mort if there's anything specfic I should be responding to. 14 Apr 2007 04:35:59 +0100 id make a new channel, ban him from there. and if TS becomes nothing but richter alone and everyone in that channel ill come take care of him 14 Apr 2007 04:36:00 +0100 Pillage what? 14 Apr 2007 04:36:09 +0100 he isnt ruining any more of my public services! :) 14 Apr 2007 04:36:10 +0100 booty 14 Apr 2007 04:36:12 +0100 Brigands, barbarians, pirates... 14 Apr 2007 04:36:16 +0100 Eh? 14 Apr 2007 04:36:25 +0100 Puzzle Pirates. :P 14 Apr 2007 04:36:28 +0100 TheDude: It's been that way several times now, with everyone in a channel below, and Richter in the main channel. 14 Apr 2007 04:36:30 +0100 Never played... 14 Apr 2007 04:36:38 +0100 Not sure I need more games to muddy my free time... :/ 14 Apr 2007 04:36:50 +0100 This one usually doesn't suck people in. 14 Apr 2007 04:37:01 +0100 hmmm I'm in the main channel with Richter. and no problems. talking with no ranting whatsoever. 14 Apr 2007 04:37:06 +0100 mmmm free poker friday 14 Apr 2007 04:37:08 +0100 Richter doesn't go so far as to come to our channels when we're avoiding him, yet, at least. 14 Apr 2007 04:37:27 +0100 There are more people NOT in the main channel, though. 14 Apr 2007 04:37:32 +0100 Jezebella: Oh sure, he can be like that, but he'll spontaneously transform into his ranting alter ego. 14 Apr 2007 04:37:48 +0100 yes Refa, and that's your choice and he's not bothering you 14 Apr 2007 04:37:52 +0100 Because he ranted on 3 different subjects in rapid succession, evidently. 14 Apr 2007 04:38:07 +0100 <-- Telanoc has quit (Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/) 14 Apr 2007 04:38:07 +0100 ill hold him to the same standard i hold people to in here. Intelligent discussion is welcome. if he is ranting, not discussing, ill get rid of him 14 Apr 2007 04:38:12 +0100 He has gone as far as to deliberately talk while the word was to Refa, just to interfere with what he was saying. 14 Apr 2007 04:38:34 +0100 Hehe. I love how Crimson Tide operates. :D 14 Apr 2007 04:38:34 +0100 and he stopped when I asked him to, give all the facts Mort. 14 Apr 2007 04:38:45 +0100 I wouldn't know Jezebella, I already muted him at that point. 14 Apr 2007 04:38:54 +0100 Also, yes. Please, take Richter off TS...he's chasing everyone else away. 14 Apr 2007 04:38:55 +0100 He stopped when you asked him to, because we left. 14 Apr 2007 04:39:08 +0100 lol he stopped before that Refa. 14 Apr 2007 04:39:11 +0100 Telanoc left earlier because of him. 14 Apr 2007 04:39:16 +0100 Diania has several times. 14 Apr 2007 04:40:09 +0100 the only reason he is still there, is probably because im not in there much :P 14 Apr 2007 04:40:13 +0100 where he is, I aint :P 14 Apr 2007 04:40:18 +0100 heh 14 Apr 2007 04:42:11 +0100 And if you've left your own server, what does that say of us with no personal investment in it? 14 Apr 2007 04:42:56 +0100 i believe Mortomes and several others are still CA's and could ban him on their own if he gets too bad 14 Apr 2007 04:43:01 +0100 if not, ill fix that 14 Apr 2007 04:43:05 +0100 No, we can only kick him. 14 Apr 2007 04:43:08 +0100 And he'll rejoin. 14 Apr 2007 04:43:33 +0100 how often does that happen? 14 Apr 2007 04:43:39 +0100 Thrice tonight. 14 Apr 2007 04:43:40 +0100 (thats bannable) 14 Apr 2007 04:43:51 +0100 if you give Mort that right, will you please make it so when they bring up Richter's name more than 3 times in a day they get booted for the day? Mort would never be in there then. 14 Apr 2007 04:43:56 +0100 Yes, he's been kicked 3 times in a row this night. 14 Apr 2007 04:44:55 +0100 Jezebella, heh. at some point there is not going to be any possible intelligent discussion to have about him :P 14 Apr 2007 04:44:56 +0100 omg Mort is summoning Richter 14 Apr 2007 04:45:20 +0100 there isn't now Dude :) 14 Apr 2007 04:46:24 +0100 ok, well maybe we should let him make his own channel, and people can go there to BE with him, instead of the opposite 14 Apr 2007 04:46:37 +0100 i said i would IP ban the bastard next time he did something like this, but ill be nice about it 14 Apr 2007 04:46:50 +0100 You hippy dictator :) 14 Apr 2007 04:47:11 +0100 ban him if that's what they want, but then they should shut the hell up about him. 14 Apr 2007 04:47:43 +0100 (my mic doesnt work booted into windows for some reason :/) 14 Apr 2007 04:48:06 +0100 yeah yeah, another without a mic :P 14 Apr 2007 04:48:30 +0100 hey now! 14 Apr 2007 04:48:52 +0100 stop abusing mic deficient people 14 Apr 2007 04:49:43 +0100 * Jezebella glares at Pro 14 Apr 2007 04:50:39 +0100 the mindless dictatorship scores one again! 14 Apr 2007 04:50:41 +0100 hehe 14 Apr 2007 04:51:07 +0100 weee Kenhotep[gm] paid me 165 poez :) 14 Apr 2007 04:51:20 +0100 nice :) 14 Apr 2007 04:52:46 +0100 ok, back to finishing up my business in windows so i can boot back into happy-land (macland) 14 Apr 2007 04:53:03 +0100 Diania thanks you TheDude ;P 14 Apr 2007 04:54:55 +0100 Hah. 14 Apr 2007 04:55:01 +0100 * Sedelyan enters a pillage with Greybubba out of chance. :) 14 Apr 2007 04:55:23 +0100 hi there sedeyan 14 Apr 2007 04:55:32 +0100 sedelyan 14 Apr 2007 04:55:34 +0100 Wait, Ken, is he your alt? >.> 14 Apr 2007 04:55:59 +0100 now..just greybubba at the computer 14 Apr 2007 04:56:20 +0100 Oh, heya. :) 14 Apr 2007 04:56:25 +0100 Funny how things work, eh? 14 Apr 2007 04:57:49 +0100 dowing good..just got he shop.this morring..ken..it like kid in the candy store. 14 Apr 2007 04:58:11 +0100 Hehe. Oh, yeah, I have little doubt of that. 14 Apr 2007 04:58:22 +0100 lol 14 Apr 2007 05:07:50 +0100 heya gb! 14 Apr 2007 05:08:18 +0100 ive been itching to play some puzzle pirates lately. new laptop has a touchscreen, and it works /so/ slick for poker 14 Apr 2007 05:08:29 +0100 oohh 14 Apr 2007 05:08:44 +0100 That's pretty cool :) 14 Apr 2007 05:08:52 +0100 <-- Corwitep has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14 Apr 2007 05:08:52 +0100 <-- Khatzepsut has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14 Apr 2007 05:21:18 +0100 --> Corwitep (corwin@b5ad6e9f.pools.b8b21294.net.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 05:21:31 +0100 --> Khatzepsut (katze@b5ad6e9f.pools.b8b21294.net.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 05:33:22 +0100 --> Hirokache (Hirokache@45925096.dyn.2cba2d11.net.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 05:35:57 +0100 --> rdj (NotALamer@486ccad6.rochester.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 05:35:57 +0100 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to rdj 14 Apr 2007 05:43:20 +0100 --- Hirokache is now known as Hirokache-bed 14 Apr 2007 05:43:25 +0100 * Hirokache-bed is away: Money's only something you need in case you don't die tomorrow... 14 Apr 2007 05:51:25 +0100 TheDude: He got around the ip ban. 14 Apr 2007 05:51:31 +0100 Or the ban, anyways. 14 Apr 2007 05:57:40 +0100 <-- Nebamon has quit (Quit: Leaving) 14 Apr 2007 06:00:41 +0100 TheDude: looks like you scared him off for now. 14 Apr 2007 06:02:16 +0100 And whaddya know.. he just came back 14 Apr 2007 06:03:54 +0100 * Mortomes pokes Refa with a sharpened stick... the stick breaks. 14 Apr 2007 06:04:13 +0100 * OrashinV2 pokes Mortomes with a ban stick! 14 Apr 2007 06:16:18 +0100 Those pillages were mad. 14 Apr 2007 06:16:28 +0100 how'd you do? 14 Apr 2007 06:16:40 +0100 When you're getting >100k from a single ship on a war brig, you're doing pretty damn well. 14 Apr 2007 06:16:51 +0100 :) 14 Apr 2007 06:17:23 +0100 Full compliment of pirates, so the overall return was 5.5k as a hired mate from three battles. Gotta love it. :) 14 Apr 2007 06:17:36 +0100 nice 14 Apr 2007 06:17:38 +0100 And I managed to bring myself back up to Renowned in Sailing with a good number of Incredibles. 14 Apr 2007 06:18:00 +0100 yarr :) 14 Apr 2007 06:36:22 +0100 don't be in here trying to take me poe Sed :) 14 Apr 2007 06:36:49 +0100 That wasn't intentional! 14 Apr 2007 06:36:56 +0100 lol 14 Apr 2007 06:38:30 +0100 Though now that you mention it, I'll quite happily take it. 14 Apr 2007 06:38:39 +0100 everyone is :) 14 Apr 2007 06:44:42 +0100 Bah, you and your pushing, Jez. :P 14 Apr 2007 06:45:01 +0100 Hmmm... it is now 7:44 am. 14 Apr 2007 06:45:08 +0100 Is it? 14 Apr 2007 06:45:12 +0100 It is. 14 Apr 2007 06:45:13 +0100 Is it really? 14 Apr 2007 06:45:16 +0100 It is really. 14 Apr 2007 06:45:20 +0100 but Sed, I had a good hand :) 14 Apr 2007 06:45:24 +0100 I don't believe you. And yeah, good hand. : 14 Apr 2007 06:45:25 +0100 :) 14 Apr 2007 06:45:27 +0100 Well, it's 7:45 am now, but that's beside the point. 14 Apr 2007 06:46:18 +0100 So it's not, really. 14 Apr 2007 06:46:27 +0100 --> Gent|Couch (gentry@839bb94f.rev.em-net.140561cc.jp.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 06:46:34 +0100 --> BB|Daniels (na@25e0aab0.lv.lv.6ca6b017.net.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 06:46:41 +0100 Bah. I need to stop watching the cards after I fold. 14 Apr 2007 06:48:01 +0100 <-- Gentry|Couch has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14 Apr 2007 06:49:52 +0100 <-- Nickless-4D197 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14 Apr 2007 06:57:26 +0100 * Sedelyan quite happily bilks the table. 14 Apr 2007 06:57:31 +0100 --- Gent|Couch is now known as Gentry|Couch 14 Apr 2007 06:57:36 +0100 :) 14 Apr 2007 06:58:24 +0100 Tch. :) 14 Apr 2007 06:58:32 +0100 sorry :) 14 Apr 2007 06:58:51 +0100 Not gonna hear me complain. I lost that 300 fair and square. 14 Apr 2007 06:59:08 +0100 yeah Sed, I know you're not a complainer :) 14 Apr 2007 07:01:43 +0100 * Jezebella wipes a tear from her eye.... see, I don't complain either :) 14 Apr 2007 07:05:31 +0100 <-- OrashinV2 has quit (Quit: OrashinV2) 14 Apr 2007 07:06:45 +0100 That hurt. 14 Apr 2007 07:07:16 +0100 yep 14 Apr 2007 07:09:00 +0100 But I'll get it back. 14 Apr 2007 07:09:21 +0100 I'm getting nothing here 14 Apr 2007 07:17:15 +0100 Pretty profitable day. From a start of 1,000 left in my coffers, I'm now up to 13k. :) 14 Apr 2007 07:17:27 +0100 not bad :) 14 Apr 2007 07:26:04 +0100 TheDude: Beware! Richter is going to file a complaint against atitd.net for malicious behaviour! 14 Apr 2007 07:26:21 +0100 i am atitd.net :P 14 Apr 2007 07:26:23 +0100 Is Richter currently on TS, having evaded a ban? 14 Apr 2007 07:26:31 +0100 he has never complained to me about anything that im aware of 14 Apr 2007 07:26:35 +0100 Because if so, his actions hereby constitute theft of services. 14 Apr 2007 07:26:37 +0100 (related to .net) 14 Apr 2007 07:26:41 +0100 No, he's not on TS. 14 Apr 2007 07:26:57 +0100 Okay. Then what did you mean by him evading a ban? 14 Apr 2007 07:27:17 +0100 he kept returning to TS after being repeatedly kicked 14 Apr 2007 07:27:23 +0100 Richter: NO you see Di just as it is thedudes right to ban my IP and interfere with a game I pay to play it is my right to file a complaint and have his domain removed from the internet till the problem is investigated and resolved. 14 Apr 2007 07:27:38 +0100 roflrofl 14 Apr 2007 07:27:45 +0100 yeah, have him write to the ISP ;) 14 Apr 2007 07:27:53 +0100 * Gentry|Couch wonders what regulatory agency regulates not-for-profit volunteer services provided to the general public at the owners discretion 14 Apr 2007 07:28:40 +0100 thanks TheDude for doing something about him in teamspeak; that guy us very offensive sometimes 14 Apr 2007 07:28:55 +0100 The Association of Social Services for Hateful, Aggravating Twits. 14 Apr 2007 07:29:08 +0100 Richter: I am saying that by his actions he is interfering with a service I pay for, this game. He does not have the right to do that 14 Apr 2007 07:29:18 +0100 here richter. the man in the nice white coat will take your paperwork 14 Apr 2007 07:29:18 +0100 sed: actually funny, good job 14 Apr 2007 07:29:25 +0100 Glad you liked. 14 Apr 2007 07:29:35 +0100 omg! 14 Apr 2007 07:29:42 +0100 did he just realize the value of my free services?! 14 Apr 2007 07:30:23 +0100 His claim that you're interfering with his enjoyment of the game doesn't really mesh with the fact that ATITD.net is not ATITD.com. 14 Apr 2007 07:30:40 +0100 thats like saying you can sue consumer reports for closing their website and claiming that as a result you can't buy a car 14 Apr 2007 07:30:42 +0100 tell him i do that shit for FREE, and therefore, i dont have to put up with him :P 14 Apr 2007 07:31:07 +0100 Offer him every penny back from the amount he paid to use ATITD.net! 14 Apr 2007 07:31:08 +0100 Richter: It is not my fault that teppy has allowed an outside entity to hold all the documentation for this game. Documentation without which the game cannot be played effectively. 14 Apr 2007 07:31:18 +0100 if he would like me to interfere with the game he DOES pay for, i can easily do that too ;) 14 Apr 2007 07:31:28 +0100 Withhold documentation...? 14 Apr 2007 07:31:36 +0100 <-- BB|Daniels has quit () 14 Apr 2007 07:31:41 +0100 Anyone can view the wiki. Anyone can view the forums, save for purgatory. 14 Apr 2007 07:31:43 +0100 but im not. im a nice guy even when im being an a-hole 14 Apr 2007 07:32:09 +0100 true statement 14 Apr 2007 07:32:12 +0100 You should set it so that it appends 'Richter is a doodoohead' to any wiki page that IP visits, and only that IP. 14 Apr 2007 07:32:15 +0100 thats what his current punishment is. he is up banned now 14 Apr 2007 07:32:34 +0100 Up banned? 14 Apr 2007 07:32:38 +0100 if you want to be smart, and evade an ip ban somehow. well you can be all smart and have to redirect all your requests :P 14 Apr 2007 07:32:40 +0100 ip banned* 14 Apr 2007 07:32:47 +0100 From the wiki? :D 14 Apr 2007 07:32:51 +0100 Richter: well as I said I am within my rigfhts to file a complaint . Unfortunately Crern is a Swiss outfit and it may take them weeks if not months to sort it out. In the interum the domain will be removed from the DNS server's name list 14 Apr 2007 07:32:52 +0100 server 14 Apr 2007 07:32:55 +0100 Oh wow. 14 Apr 2007 07:33:03 +0100 * Sedelyan gives TheDude a bar of Lindt. 14 Apr 2007 07:33:04 +0100 got sick of maintaining ban lists in every damn app on it 14 Apr 2007 07:33:28 +0100 --> BB|Daniels (BB@25e0aab0.lv.lv.6ca6b017.net.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 07:33:39 +0100 im not even asking him to be nice, all he has to do is not be an asshole. clearly too much to ask 14 Apr 2007 07:33:46 +0100 * Gentry|Couch wonder when CERN became the world-wide regulatory agency for the internet 14 Apr 2007 07:33:59 +0100 Okay, there is now a player threatening to bring legal action against the game's central knowledge and information repository. 14 Apr 2007 07:34:07 +0100 Is this or is this NOT A PERFECT REASON TO BAN HIM? 14 Apr 2007 07:34:19 +0100 Richter: I know about these things I've sold over 200 domains 14 Apr 2007 07:34:22 +0100 hehe he can file a complaint with anyone he wants, all the emails go to me eventually ;) 14 Apr 2007 07:34:27 +0100 So that's where he gets his money! 14 Apr 2007 07:34:30 +0100 He's a domain sniper. 14 Apr 2007 07:34:31 +0100 Don't you be doubting the knowledge of the great Richter, fool! 14 Apr 2007 07:34:33 +0100 sed: he's like a puppy with no teeth... makes lots of noise, totally harmless 14 Apr 2007 07:34:34 +0100 he thinks its his right to be an asshole... this game is too community orientated to constantly be an asshole on purpose... my 2 cents :D 14 Apr 2007 07:34:49 +0100 Gentry: That doesn't prevent me from longing for a boomstick. 14 Apr 2007 07:35:03 +0100 hey, I wouldn't piss on the guy if he were on fire 14 Apr 2007 07:35:12 +0100 And if he weren't? 14 Apr 2007 07:35:48 +0100 if you were me, would you do it? 14 Apr 2007 07:35:53 +0100 but being loud, obnoxious, and forcefully claiming your right to legally pursue whatever cause you are hell bent on (even if it's clearly illegal) is the american way 14 Apr 2007 07:35:59 +0100 td: yes, I would piss on you if you were on fire 14 Apr 2007 07:36:18 +0100 (especially when you campaigned on "vast majority" and theres in WRITING only a basic majority) 14 Apr 2007 07:36:27 +0100 hehe i appreciate that :P 14 Apr 2007 07:36:37 +0100 i meant if you were me, would you ban richter. 14 Apr 2007 07:36:39 +0100 I still consider you my friend, even if you are mostly ignoring me =D 14 Apr 2007 07:37:00 +0100 I would have banned him 6 months ago but it seemed morally ambiguious 14 Apr 2007 07:37:08 +0100 --> Apophis (someone@b424160b.cinci.res.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 07:37:08 +0100 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Apophis 14 Apr 2007 07:37:08 +0100 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Apophis 14 Apr 2007 07:37:09 +0100 always love talking atitd with you 14 Apr 2007 07:37:22 +0100 you need no excuse, you have 7 bans to use as you see fit with no oversight committee 14 Apr 2007 07:37:31 +0100 Hey Apophis, I'm cured. 14 Apr 2007 07:37:40 +0100 Now that he's basically threatening legal action left, right and center, it simply comes down to who's going to bite the bullet and kick him out forever. 14 Apr 2007 07:37:56 +0100 In the meantime, I suggest that we answer all of his questions with 'use the wiki, n00b'. 14 Apr 2007 07:38:04 +0100 yeah the thing is, that i know i would have never won dp if i had said "ill ban a guy just for being annoying, but not directly harmful" 14 Apr 2007 07:38:09 +0100 I know, Mort. 14 Apr 2007 07:38:22 +0100 question was to everyone btw. would you REALLY do it? 14 Apr 2007 07:38:26 +0100 And Richter is banned from .net :D 14 Apr 2007 07:38:31 +0100 So who's the most sick active player now? 14 Apr 2007 07:38:35 +0100 I also know that. 14 Apr 2007 07:38:43 +0100 TheDude: Yes. Yes, I would at this point. 14 Apr 2007 07:38:44 +0100 hiya Apophis :) 14 Apr 2007 07:38:44 +0100 I dunno off the top of my head, Sed. 14 Apr 2007 07:38:44 +0100 * Mortomes should have known better. 14 Apr 2007 07:38:53 +0100 Kaotika claims he's it now. 14 Apr 2007 07:38:58 +0100 heya Apophis. is richter including you in his complaint to the intertubes? 14 Apr 2007 07:39:01 +0100 it really depends on your moral perspective, are his actions in-game indistinguishable from out? if not, then clearly you've set a precedent for your intention to ban him if he doesn't shape up.. if they are then he has likely recieved the signal that he can make as much noise as he likes with no significant repercussions 14 Apr 2007 07:39:02 +0100 It might be committing social suicide, but I believe that it is worth ithe time. 14 Apr 2007 07:39:11 +0100 Nah, haven't seen anything from him directly yet 14 Apr 2007 07:40:24 +0100 worth it this time* 14 Apr 2007 07:40:49 +0100 the next question is, are you willing to make the hard decsision... can you be both sure you are right to ban him and willing to accept that a significant minority will believe that you were wrong 14 Apr 2007 07:41:20 +0100 At this stage in the game, I've grown accustomed to the fact that some people believe NOBODY should be banned, ever, regardless of circumstances. 14 Apr 2007 07:41:37 +0100 i always said (before i was elected) that i would only consider a ban for "direct harm". its really hard to quantify that when its mental abuse 14 Apr 2007 07:41:38 +0100 Be it pili, reddot, Mafia or Richter, the fluffy bunnies will cry their little hearts out if anyone's removed. 14 Apr 2007 07:41:56 +0100 Screw 'em. 14 Apr 2007 07:42:07 +0100 in your shoes, my conflict of interest not withstanding, I would ban him without question or regard for the consiquences, if only to itterate that no player is above common descency to others 14 Apr 2007 07:42:20 +0100 Richter: I will talk to teppy before I file a complaint with CERN though just to not hurt everybody because the due is an asshat :) 14 Apr 2007 07:42:21 +0100 how has the populous not run him out of town? i havent played for a while, but i dont understand.... 14 Apr 2007 07:42:25 +0100 he cant be a soloer 14 Apr 2007 07:42:33 +0100 And character assassination, verbal and written abuse, significant runs of theft (he may have rebuilt the acid baths, but he basically tore down items using OSM)... 14 Apr 2007 07:43:01 +0100 I'd say all of those, in combination, make this a worthy ban. 14 Apr 2007 07:43:24 +0100 (CERN is NOT a regulatory agency, nor is it any sort of enforcement agency... asshat) 14 Apr 2007 07:43:25 +0100 we tried TheDude, with a law to ban him (if you didnt hear). The law of course could not pss even though most voted yes 14 Apr 2007 07:43:44 +0100 The law didn't pass because of the godforsaken people who claim that the only way to get a law off the ballot is to let it FAIL. 14 Apr 2007 07:43:56 +0100 yeah i saw that. what i dont get, is how it wasnt 2/98 14 Apr 2007 07:43:59 +0100 They never considered that if they had voted yes in the first place, two birds would have been killed with one stone. 14 Apr 2007 07:44:10 +0100 do people not know? or are they actually supporters? 14 Apr 2007 07:44:20 +0100 And 14% of the ballot would have been freed up...people don't know. 14 Apr 2007 07:44:22 +0100 Btw, I stand with Gentry. If I was a player and DP, I would have banned his ass without question already. 14 Apr 2007 07:44:25 +0100 i prefer to think people do not know 14 Apr 2007 07:44:26 +0100 [system] The final round of Demi-Pharaoh voting is now taking place. All Egyptians are encouraged to vote. 14 Apr 2007 07:44:30 +0100 what if the death penalty was decided my majority concensus? 14 Apr 2007 07:44:44 +0100 see i would have too, but i was elected by specificly saying i wouldnt :P 14 Apr 2007 07:44:54 +0100 then your character is at stake 14 Apr 2007 07:44:57 +0100 It is, albeit a smaller segment of the majority. 14 Apr 2007 07:45:03 +0100 the theory is that people really DO want someone to say one thing, and do another when they arent looking ;) 14 Apr 2007 07:45:11 +0100 if what you are online is the product of your word, then you are morally bound not to act 14 Apr 2007 07:45:37 +0100 on the other hand, any DP that made no such promise should be free to act with a clear consious 14 Apr 2007 07:45:41 +0100 i said that if there were a law on the ballot that said "if this gets over 50% votes, TheDude will ban richter for us" id probably go for it 14 Apr 2007 07:46:03 +0100 but clearly thats just another copout. wheres deeva when you need her? :/ 14 Apr 2007 07:46:03 +0100 There IS a majority consensus in this case. 14 Apr 2007 07:46:03 +0100 lol 14 Apr 2007 07:46:16 +0100 pretty close to meeting your criteria 14 Apr 2007 07:46:19 +0100 TheDude: Deeva is actually "defending" him. 14 Apr 2007 07:46:24 +0100 51% of the people voted positively in the first place; the second ballot was lower because people wanted it off. 14 Apr 2007 07:46:27 +0100 but I'm not lobbying for your action 14 Apr 2007 07:46:40 +0100 Is Teao an active account? 14 Apr 2007 07:46:41 +0100 She did just make it to the final DP round though. 14 Apr 2007 07:46:46 +0100 Yeah, Teao is active. 14 Apr 2007 07:46:55 +0100 Okay. Are there any inactive DPs? 14 Apr 2007 07:47:03 +0100 No, 'all of them' is not the correct answer. 14 Apr 2007 07:47:10 +0100 Qetesh, TheDude 14 Apr 2007 07:47:20 +0100 * TheDude is "paid" but sadly inactive :/ 14 Apr 2007 07:47:25 +0100 TheDude, what would you say to a free month of the--oh. :( 14 Apr 2007 07:47:35 +0100 the real question is did any DP gain their position without promising to not use the resulting power 14 Apr 2007 07:47:38 +0100 * Mortomes offers a monkey to the DP that bans him :D 14 Apr 2007 07:47:39 +0100 i keep an ear in always.... 14 Apr 2007 07:47:46 +0100 * Mortomes is such a griefer. 14 Apr 2007 07:48:05 +0100 Possibly Telanoc. 14 Apr 2007 07:48:17 +0100 No, Telanoc won't. 14 Apr 2007 07:48:30 +0100 I'm pretty sure that, that being the popular platform, that its probably not the case that any DP is morally unconstricted 14 Apr 2007 07:48:46 +0100 Apophis, see, its trickier in practice ;) would you /really/ have done it? if you said that you wouldnt.... 14 Apr 2007 07:49:10 +0100 if i were not a dp, id be asking the dp's wtf their problem was though 14 Apr 2007 07:49:36 +0100 well, again the right question to ask is do you think you could gain the status of DP without promising to withhold bans 14 Apr 2007 07:49:41 +0100 As far as I can tell, richter is mostly abusive in the guildsTo be honest, and I know this goes against popular opinion with the present company (as well as my RL girlfriend, Diania), richter's 'antics' are most felt in teamspeak and guild chats. In game he can be ignored well enough, so I personally think that a teamspeak/forums ban is good enough. That's just me though. :) 14 Apr 2007 07:49:47 +0100 TheDude: Here's a question. You're inactive in the game right now, correct? 14 Apr 2007 07:49:50 +0100 deeva did... 14 Apr 2007 07:49:53 +0100 I couldn't make that promise, therefore I wouldn't have ever been a DP 14 Apr 2007 07:49:53 +0100 yeah 14 Apr 2007 07:50:19 +0100 Is there any conceivable social backlash you can imagine for banning him? 14 Apr 2007 07:50:22 +0100 I would totally ban him if I were DP, but I'll never become DP :) 14 Apr 2007 07:50:29 +0100 i thoguht the forum ban might make him a little remorseful, but clearly it wasnt enough 14 Apr 2007 07:50:40 +0100 no, in fact it spurred him on 14 Apr 2007 07:50:45 +0100 If he gets banned from the game, his head might explode. :> 14 Apr 2007 07:50:46 +0100 fueled the conspiracy 14 Apr 2007 07:50:59 +0100 He loves calling you the great dictator since you banned him from the forums. 14 Apr 2007 07:51:16 +0100 richter does not know what remorse is, at least online he doesn't. I know that much about him and I've only known him for a few weeks. 14 Apr 2007 07:51:17 +0100 right. so the question is, if you were elected saying that, because you never imagined that a richter could exist, and personally feel he should be banned.... 14 Apr 2007 07:51:35 +0100 were you elected because you rock, and should go with your gut? or should i do what i said i would to the letter? 14 Apr 2007 07:51:38 +0100 His whole game is a sadistic power ploy to integrate himself into every aspect of the society and poison it. 14 Apr 2007 07:51:46 +0100 I totally would have banned him way way back 14 Apr 2007 07:51:50 +0100 TheDude: You were elected because you DO rock. ;) 14 Apr 2007 07:52:02 +0100 * Mortomes agrees with Gentry|Couch on something for a change. 14 Apr 2007 07:52:03 +0100 Gentry: Yeah, but instead you just put a tiny little note on his /info saying that he's abusive. :) 14 Apr 2007 07:52:05 +0100 like we wouldn't be at THIS point because I already would have used a ban on him, and probably another on any alt he might have created 14 Apr 2007 07:52:07 +0100 agreed, fuck it.. go with your gut imo if you are elected 14 Apr 2007 07:52:34 +0100 right, at some point. when im the guy holding the banstick, the stuff he does starts to feel like its my fault (see, i DO rock :P) 14 Apr 2007 07:52:45 +0100 sed: well, I recused myself on the grounds that I am not objective because I am a developer and I think the guy is an asshat 14 Apr 2007 07:53:13 +0100 Fortunately, you're now being backed up by far more objective people who agree with you on this issue. 14 Apr 2007 07:53:23 +0100 So I might go so far as to say your actions *were* objective. 14 Apr 2007 07:53:44 +0100 well, I just had early exposure to his asshattedness 14 Apr 2007 07:54:05 +0100 td: fwiw, in the position you are in now, I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole 14 Apr 2007 07:54:09 +0100 good point Sed 14 Apr 2007 07:54:20 +0100 you are a product of your word, your word is that you wouldn't ban anyone, therefor you shouldn't 14 Apr 2007 07:54:25 +0100 i wrote him off as 'unfixable asshat' like a month into the tale... i dont get how its STILL going on!! 14 Apr 2007 07:54:38 +0100 TheDude: Did you promise not to ban anyone when you were elected? 14 Apr 2007 07:54:40 +0100 what value is your word if you go back on it? 14 Apr 2007 07:54:53 +0100 Because people keep giving him "just one more chance" and then end up getting demonized by him a while later. 14 Apr 2007 07:54:58 +0100 i said i would ban people in specific very exterme circumstances. specificly "vast majority of people agree" 14 Apr 2007 07:55:13 +0100 imo 51% does not constitute a vast majority 14 Apr 2007 07:55:16 +0100 51% is enough, if you do the math on how many people just wanted it off the ballot. 14 Apr 2007 07:55:25 +0100 75%+ however does 14 Apr 2007 07:55:27 +0100 yeah... theres a lot of "but's" on that number 14 Apr 2007 07:55:34 +0100 Yes, the 51% excludes people that do want him banned, but not by law. 14 Apr 2007 07:55:45 +0100 75% was iffy, i had in mind more like 90%. how is it not 90%?! 14 Apr 2007 07:56:07 +0100 You will NEVER get 90% of Egypt to agree on anything. ANYTHING. 14 Apr 2007 07:56:24 +0100 its hard enough to get 50% on a two-way split 14 Apr 2007 07:56:26 +0100 There are those who think DPs should never use their bans because it can be put into legal terms, those who think legal bans shouldn't be enacted because DPs can just ban... 14 Apr 2007 07:56:53 +0100 Those who think NO bans should be used, those who think everyone BUT them should be banned... 14 Apr 2007 07:57:14 +0100 You are never going to get 90%. It might be best to take it in this case... 14 Apr 2007 07:57:28 +0100 And, in fact, while it may seem impartial, you can use the fact that he threatened you with legal action to justify it. :) 14 Apr 2007 07:57:42 +0100 Remember, even Bush has a 25% ish popularity rating. 14 Apr 2007 07:57:46 +0100 "He's ruining my enjoyment of the game I pay for!" "Here, you don't have to pay for it anymore." 14 Apr 2007 07:58:11 +0100 I sould comp his account just so I can abuse him at will 14 Apr 2007 07:59:14 +0100 Gentry|Couch: Just like you supposedly removed some of his compounds because you felt like it? :P 14 Apr 2007 07:59:29 +0100 mort: yeah, because thats the sort of thing I spend my time thinking about 14 Apr 2007 07:59:38 +0100 thats true 14 Apr 2007 07:59:38 +0100 You should move all his compounds one coordinate to the left while he's still standing in them...but AFK. 14 Apr 2007 07:59:40 +0100 Yeah, I told him all about that. 14 Apr 2007 07:59:43 +0100 *rolls eyes* 14 Apr 2007 08:00:47 +0100 Thedude: The vote to ban Richter or not has a similar distribution to the people who voted for you over SunnyOne. 14 Apr 2007 08:00:49 +0100 again, reasons I would have banned him months ago 14 Apr 2007 08:01:01 +0100 but even then he has already posioned the pool 14 Apr 2007 08:01:03 +0100 You could always say that your constituency are all the people who want him banned. 14 Apr 2007 08:01:12 +0100 Yeah, he's poisoned the pool. Let's drop a chlorine tablet in there. 14 Apr 2007 08:01:36 +0100 his abusive and argumentative style of game play has been adopted by numerous players, many of which go unnoticed simply because they are not the loudest jerk in the room 14 Apr 2007 08:02:07 +0100 sad statement there Gentry 14 Apr 2007 08:02:08 +0100 We need him removed. Now. Not later, not tomorrow, NOW. Screw double jeopardy; this needs to be done. 14 Apr 2007 08:02:35 +0100 roflrofl theres no double jeopardy :P 14 Apr 2007 08:02:37 +0100 Some DP needs go just do it, then. 14 Apr 2007 08:02:38 +0100 but thats a good point 14 Apr 2007 08:02:43 +0100 will eliminating richter really eliminate the problem, or will it only put the second loudest jerk in the spotlight? 14 Apr 2007 08:02:57 +0100 I don't think the 2nd loudest is even close. 14 Apr 2007 08:03:08 +0100 i thought it would be funny that since he sucks, today, for out of game things. that i could actually ban him without logging in hehe 14 Apr 2007 08:03:15 +0100 Gentry: Even if it's only the second loudest jerk, a ban of the loudest will cow the others into some semblance of social values. 14 Apr 2007 08:03:18 +0100 in real life we consisder ourselves civilized generally on the ground that we don't just go around killing people because they are unlikeable 14 Apr 2007 08:03:39 +0100 TheDude: And he thinks that's a great reason that non-players should have no rule over atitd.net. 14 Apr 2007 08:03:40 +0100 We're not killing him. 14 Apr 2007 08:03:40 +0100 if that were the case, I would be dead several times over by now 14 Apr 2007 08:03:44 +0100 exactly! but on the internet, thats the standard... right? 14 Apr 2007 08:03:45 +0100 We are removing him from our group. 14 Apr 2007 08:04:03 +0100 It's not the end of the world for him; after all, the game is not real life. 14 Apr 2007 08:04:04 +0100 excommunication is indistinguishable from death in terms of the game 14 Apr 2007 08:04:24 +0100 Yeah, but it hurts a lot less. 14 Apr 2007 08:04:26 +0100 and clearly a large portion of his real life is in fact built around said game 14 Apr 2007 08:04:38 +0100 Ideally I would reach through the computer and PLANK HIM UPSIDE THE HEAD. 14 Apr 2007 08:04:40 +0100 so you can not objectively measure the impact of its loss on his person 14 Apr 2007 08:04:43 +0100 But since this is impossible... 14 Apr 2007 08:04:50 +0100 No, you can't. 14 Apr 2007 08:05:07 +0100 (but don't take that to mean I imply any rights on his part...) 14 Apr 2007 08:05:13 +0100 No, we're the people with no lives that try to control every aspect of the game, let's keep this in mind. 14 Apr 2007 08:05:25 +0100 the one thing that is good about richter playing the game is that it gives Teppy's company another $12/mo 14 Apr 2007 08:05:30 +0100 Mortomes, thats what the game IS :P 14 Apr 2007 08:05:43 +0100 <- devil's advocate, sorry ;) 14 Apr 2007 08:05:48 +0100 I'm just saying, you have to pick a way to consider this 14 Apr 2007 08:05:55 +0100 its ok, i have 2 accounts ;) 14 Apr 2007 08:05:57 +0100 I consider it telling to think of each and every attack he makes on others as an example of himself. 14 Apr 2007 08:06:11 +0100 if you consider all his actions both in game and out, then you should also consider all the consequences, in game and out 14 Apr 2007 08:06:46 +0100 In the case of cost, I'd be willing to bet more people have left over Richter, directly or indirectly, than his 14/mo. 14 Apr 2007 08:06:49 +0100 Gentry: Yes. However, the consequences of his actions are something else to consider. As it stands, he has been unpunished until recently. 14 Apr 2007 08:06:57 +0100 Apophis: Agreed. 14 Apr 2007 08:07:18 +0100 --> Lukeera (mitza_v@7b6de76b.cable.c7b28ff4.com.hmsk) has joined #ATITD 14 Apr 2007 08:07:26 +0100 apo: if cost was a concern we would programatically eliminate everyone that has a negitive impact on the fiscal bottom line, clearly its not 14 Apr 2007 08:07:35 +0100 If you make a hundred people absolutely miserable with your presence, isn't it karmically sound to be a hundred times more miserable than each of them? 14 Apr 2007 08:07:39 +0100 hello Lukeera 14 Apr 2007 08:07:40 +0100 Hi Lukeera 14 Apr 2007 08:07:50 +0100 Richter won't bother us on TS anymore. 14 Apr 2007 08:07:52 +0100 Hi, Lukeera. You, er...walked into us trying to persuade DPs to do The Ban. 14 Apr 2007 08:07:56 +0100 not if all 100 people are 100x more miserable 14 Apr 2007 08:08:03 +0100 i dont understand how he gets away with all the BS still 14 Apr 2007 08:08:11 +0100 I'm just saying that if people are gonna talk money about Richter, it's sort of a waste of time 14 Apr 2007 08:08:17 +0100 TheDude: Because nobody has banned him. 14 Apr 2007 08:08:25 +0100 td: because humans have moral ambiguity, and as such are unable to make hard choices 14 Apr 2007 08:08:27 +0100 I think I'm about the only person who has actually told Richter 'shut up' on TS. 14 Apr 2007 08:08:32 +0100 Sed,honey if someone bans him great...if not Ihave a pissed off pregnant lady headhunting him 14 Apr 2007 08:08:39 +0100 THAT's how overpowering his presence is...oh? 14 Apr 2007 08:08:42 +0100 sed: I told him to "shut the fuck up", does that count? 14 Apr 2007 08:08:43 +0100 he understands that he isnt welcome, but he wants to be able to say "see! i told you! they WERE out to get me!" 14 Apr 2007 08:08:46 +0100 Who's that? :D 14 Apr 2007 08:08:49 +0100 No Sedelyan, we've told him plenty of time :) 14 Apr 2007 08:08:51 +0100 Gentry: Well, did you say it over TS? 14 Apr 2007 08:08:54 +0100 yes 14 Apr 2007 08:08:58 +0100 because nothing could possibly ever be his own fault 14 Apr 2007 08:08:58 +0100 Okay then! 14 Apr 2007 08:09:01 +0100 like, the first time he logged onto it 14 Apr 2007 08:09:02 +0100 No sedelyan, that wouldbe telling 14 Apr 2007 08:09:08 +0100 But she volunteered 14 Apr 2007 08:09:10 +0100 Lukeera: Ahh, okay. Lips are sealed. 14 Apr 2007 08:09:22 +0100 * Sedelyan knows who it is already, granted. 14 Apr 2007 08:09:30 +0100 td: in the end you or some other DP will have to make the hard choice and accept the consequences of your actions 14 Apr 2007 08:09:31 +0100 TheDude: Join the hunt then! 14 Apr 2007 08:09:44 +0100 And I recall one night when Nox, Gentry, Zahra, and I all told Richter to shut up inthe same second 14 Apr 2007 08:09:53 +0100 heh 14 Apr 2007 08:09:55 +0100 Wow 14 Apr 2007 08:10:05 +0100 If he steps over the line in a case not directly involving me, he is gone 14 Apr 2007 08:10:23 +0100 Lukeera, did you hear that he threatened to sue TheDude for banning him from ATITD.net? 14 Apr 2007 08:10:31 +0100 what? 14 Apr 2007 08:10:50 +0100 I was about to ask ifhe was anidiot, then realized what a stupid question that was 14 Apr 2007 08:10:55 +0100 Well, rather, he decided he was going to announce that he's writing letters to CERN to try and get ATITD.net shut down. 14 Apr 2007 08:10:56 +0100 correct me if I am wrong, Lukeera, but I get the sense that you avoid teamspeak because richter is there often? Or am I just not around enough when you are online? :) 14 Apr 2007 08:11:12 +0100 td: fwiw, I define leadership as the ability to make a decsision (right or wrong) and accept the responsibility and the consequences for it... to remain a leader is to do so without compromise 14 Apr 2007 08:11:36 +0100 Actually I was there earlier today, he opened his yap, imoved to Apop's channel, and the rest ofhteroom followed me sans Richter 14 Apr 2007 08:11:45 +0100 so, perhaps a better question is, are there actually any leaders among the ranks of the Demi-Pharaohs? 14 Apr 2007 08:11:53 +0100 good leaders back up their decisions with careful research and rationale 14 Apr 2007 08:12:10 +0100 I gave my word when I was elected that I wouldn't use the ban if I were personally involved. I won't go back on my word. 14 Apr 2007 08:12:22 +0100 Okay. 14 Apr 2007 08:12:32 +0100 well, lukeera, he is banned from teamspeak if you have not heard (I am sure you have) 14 Apr 2007 08:12:33 +0100