Mar 10 16:58:27 Teppy must have just announced Mar 10 16:58:28 --> Saxamon (Mike@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 16:58:34 --> Narafeti[Traders] (dschelt@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 16:58:35 he did, ott Mar 10 16:58:35 Teppy just announced Mar 10 16:58:36 * Rendell sits back and makes some popcorn - DRAMA ensues Mar 10 16:58:38 --> Frotz[SUN] (steneman@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 16:58:39 <[XR]WarHammer> heh Mar 10 16:58:41 ott = Dick Tracy Mar 10 16:58:42 <[XR]WarHammer> yes, he did Mar 10 16:58:43 We'll wait a few minutes for everyone to arrive. Mar 10 16:58:45 hehe Mar 10 16:58:55 * ott[SotE] has a keen grasp of the obvious Mar 10 16:58:59 Dick Tracy? more like Sherlock Holmes or Batman Mar 10 16:59:02 REAL detectives Mar 10 16:59:04 does anyone wish to share any locations of altars in DoS / RP (pm me plz) Mar 10 16:59:04 lol Mar 10 16:59:06 --> Ragnar (Ragnar@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 16:59:07 --> Chaul (theikura@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 16:59:07 *wonders if Teppy is better a justifying his actions than BES is* Mar 10 16:59:13 not some watch-talking phony in a fancy suit Mar 10 16:59:15 Hatchepsud: wheres the fun in that? =) Mar 10 16:59:15 --> Clubbers|work (Clubbers@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 16:59:17 <[XR]Shakotah> u first hatch Mar 10 16:59:17 doesn't rate real detective Mar 10 16:59:25 god, could we please stop griping about BES for a while? Mar 10 16:59:37 Sure Mar 10 16:59:40 --> Dreamr (Dreamr@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 16:59:43 <[XR]Shakotah> what happened with BES? Mar 10 16:59:44 I did that once, dria. Once was enough ;> Mar 10 16:59:45 <-- Srophkor[FoL] has quit (Ping timeout) Mar 10 16:59:45 Anyone hear about BES getting first clippings? Mar 10 16:59:54 Well, since VoodooC is the Stranger, it would only make sense that he is in leage with the Pharoah. Mar 10 16:59:56 SECOND Mar 10 16:59:56 I just don't see the point people are angry at. Mar 10 16:59:57 oh woops...it slipped ;) Mar 10 16:59:58 Did Teppy move BES STUFF?!?!?? Mar 10 17:00:05 Its all over now Mar 10 17:00:09 lol Mar 10 17:00:10 =] Mar 10 17:00:13 :) Mar 10 17:00:17 no - it wasn't Bes stuff Mar 10 17:00:19 --- Teti is now known as Teti|afk Mar 10 17:00:22 Ok, should we get started? Mar 10 17:00:23 Dunno about BES...he moved XR's stuff Mar 10 17:00:24 <[XR]Shakotah> OH, PARANOIA Mar 10 17:00:25 it was XR Mar 10 17:00:29 * Osahar[XR] ducks. Mar 10 17:00:30 yes Mar 10 17:00:30 Their buildings was moved because they had exploited, what else should have been done? delteing the buildings? Mar 10 17:00:30 the tents Mar 10 17:00:30 --> kudce (kudce@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:00:43 --> Bohemu (asilsby1@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:00:45 relocating > riddance Mar 10 17:00:47 --> Talies (jirc@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:00:48 --> Magon[NRP] (magon@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:00:51 <[XR]Shakotah> we suggested this to bring crowding dow Mar 10 17:00:52 <[XR]Shakotah> down Mar 10 17:00:53 --> Yandros{7L} (trilluser@152.78.191.92) has joined #ATITD Mar 10 17:00:58 well, XR was really becoming "Lagtown"... Mar 10 17:01:01 Lo all Mar 10 17:01:05 we would not have exploited the bug. Mar 10 17:01:10 Armessin: you ahve no idea Mar 10 17:01:22 <[XR]Shakotah> most camps have exploited the bug Mar 10 17:01:22 antichaos...how could you with less than half our size ;) Mar 10 17:01:23 so the angry ones are their neighbours who now got overcrowded? Mar 10 17:01:28 I do, Ran through there yesterday... Mar 10 17:01:30 XR is not the only one using that exploit. i saw similar thing already during first week in 7lakes Mar 10 17:01:31 <[XR]Shakotah> we just went a bit overboard Mar 10 17:01:31 --> Guest445061291 (kosh@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:01:35 Teppy, I realize this is an important issue - perhaps waiting until "prime time" when more users could attend would be beneficial? Mar 10 17:01:38 i didn't even know it was bug, that was how i was getting past the stupid bonfires to build mines Mar 10 17:01:40 --> equaliza (9r00v3@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:01:43 --> shetan (shetan@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:01:46 Ok, so let me explain what I did... Mar 10 17:01:47 We have some buildings in our camp we'd like moved. Could you send over a team of GM movers please? :P Mar 10 17:01:51 /mode #atitd +m ? :] Mar 10 17:02:00 --- Clubbers|work is now known as Clubbers[Sphinx]-work Mar 10 17:02:02 Omar - How were you able to nudge mines/ Mar 10 17:02:02 yes please moderate the chan heh Mar 10 17:02:06 Hans: good call Mar 10 17:02:09 --> Visoc (Aekoldlaz@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:02:11 I thought that was limited already? Mar 10 17:02:13 --> Blackryder (invasion@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:02:18 --> Burtimus (burtimus@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:02:23 No, let;s not moderate - let's all just try to self-moderate. Mar 10 17:02:26 it is but that was my idea before i found out, i meant to say that's the way it should be Mar 10 17:02:32 --> Caspian (Caspian@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:02:33 Kinda hate moderated chats. Mar 10 17:02:37 * Talies self-moderates. Mar 10 17:02:46 --> ken (ken@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:02:47 --- Guest445061291 is now known as kosh Mar 10 17:02:54 --- Gryvix is now known as Gryvix-afk Mar 10 17:02:57 * Osahar[XR] allows himself to talk, now. Mar 10 17:03:05 --- kosh is now known as kosh-of-WG Mar 10 17:03:08 Were there technical reasons behind the relocation? Mar 10 17:03:11 --> FnL-Mr_Pinstripe (me@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:03:11 ... Mar 10 17:03:12 --> shamp0man[PiG] (shamp0man_@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:03:15 don't look at me like that Mar 10 17:03:15 --- Visoc is now known as Tkath Mar 10 17:03:18 Ok, so the code to build has a radius where you're allowed to move a building so many feet after giving the "build" command. Mar 10 17:03:28 I had that radius set too high. Mar 10 17:03:29 lo Mar 10 17:03:29 --- ken is now known as nikare Mar 10 17:03:31 Moring Teppy Mar 10 17:03:42 Sure, Saxamon... which large body of water would you like them relocated into? Mar 10 17:03:50 hmmmm Mar 10 17:03:52 shhh pinstripe...and you're in XR, not FnL :P Mar 10 17:03:53 <[XR]Shakotah> cmon, let him speak Mar 10 17:04:09 --- FnL-Mr_Pinstripe is now known as [XR]Mr_Pinstripe Mar 10 17:04:10 I noticed that the client is lagging behind the mouse. i.e. when I mouse over something and click, it thinks that I clicked something else, something I passed while moving the mouse Mar 10 17:04:13 <-- Kikamek has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:04:22 Oh, I had no idea the XR buildings were relocated into the water. I withdraw my complaint. :/ Mar 10 17:04:26 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> heh Mar 10 17:04:37 its all part of my evil plan Mar 10 17:04:43 Now by the basic design, it does allow a bit of overcrowding past 100% if you slide the buildings in. That part is actually by design because of an internal limitation on scaning radii. Mar 10 17:04:52 XR is still too crowded IMO - 200% in the center Mar 10 17:04:56 --- nikare is now known as {XR} Mar 10 17:05:02 Good...because we were given the "Moses river splitting" skill as reparation Mar 10 17:05:14 Let my people go! Mar 10 17:05:22 --- {XR} is now known as [xr]Nikare Mar 10 17:05:26 hmmm... maybe the game should introduce rats and plague in overpopulated areas. Mar 10 17:05:42 * Osahar[XR] thinks it's time Burtimus self-moderated. Mar 10 17:05:43 --> Pekkaman (Pekkaman@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:05:44 good idea :) Mar 10 17:05:46 And so when I programmed it, I figured, ok, so players can go to maybe 120%, 130% if they really want to make future growth painful for themselves. Mar 10 17:05:49 cool idea burtimus Mar 10 17:05:58 *hrm...* That would be really easy to code... Want me to make some rats and toads models, Teppy? *eg* Mar 10 17:06:03 --- Thy|asleep is now known as Thy Mar 10 17:06:03 very good idea actually Mar 10 17:06:07 Someone refresh my memory why there are crowding laws at all? Mar 10 17:06:12 plague would be hilarious Mar 10 17:06:13 Rose, it's nothing a good fire wouldn't fix Mar 10 17:06:15 <[XR]Shakotah> server load Mar 10 17:06:17 lag Tedrick Mar 10 17:06:21 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> I could've used the rivir splitting skill yest. Mar 10 17:06:22 Tedrick[Sphinx] to reduce server work Mar 10 17:06:30 So I never considered slight over-limit as an exploit. Mar 10 17:06:33 Tedrick - Video limitations client-side Mar 10 17:06:45 Have you never had your computer grind to a halt in OE? Mar 10 17:06:49 please realize that teppy is trying to say something. p l e a s e Mar 10 17:06:51 <[xr]Nikare> no Mar 10 17:06:55 But I miscalculated (or just goofed) on what the radius should be. Mar 10 17:06:59 <[xr]Nikare> not even on a modem Mar 10 17:07:04 <-- Hatchepsud has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:07:12 --> Toxy (Toxy@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:07:12 --> phallanx (a.hunter@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:07:17 So that allowed the crowding to go higher - at least to 300% in this case... Mar 10 17:07:20 <[XR]WarHammer> i played on a 26.4k with two computers playing ATITD, it worked fine in OE Mar 10 17:07:25 --> Boris (Boris@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:07:29 --> Srophkor[FoL] (sebastian.@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:07:41 And if a single area is at 300% (or even 3000% for that matter), the server won't mind... Mar 10 17:07:43 it's not bandwidth, it's CPU power Mar 10 17:07:46 and computer lag Mar 10 17:07:48 I think you did a good thing,. And people shouldn't have send such message, ArmEagle out. Mar 10 17:07:50 <-- ArmEagle has quit (Quit: ArmEagle has no reason) Mar 10 17:07:56 XR - the problem is the location of your camp - its in a major thoroughfare - that bridge is necessary for timed things like the worship initiation Mar 10 17:07:58 My vote is still with rats and plagues. Affect the food stores and introduce 20% spoilage rate Mar 10 17:08:00 --> Salome (den@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:08:04 --> [XR]VoodooC (vc@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:08:07 But if that happens everywhere, then it will start to bog down the server. Mar 10 17:08:08 <[XR]VoodooC> hajsdfhjkfhlgg Mar 10 17:08:16 Any lag in that area = can't complete the initiation Mar 10 17:08:17 --- Boris is now known as boris1 Mar 10 17:08:34 <[xr]Nikare> no one can do the init in oe anyway Mar 10 17:08:39 <[XR]VoodooC> why am i awake Mar 10 17:08:39 Rosethorn--------So find another place to do thei nitiation in that case. Mar 10 17:08:39 --- Sparrow is now known as Sparrow|Gone Mar 10 17:08:41 Stasmik and I did it Mar 10 17:08:41 So, I changed it to a smaller radius, and offered to move anyone affected by the change. Mar 10 17:08:45 we need that bridge Mar 10 17:08:57 --> Yuia (pippo@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:09:03 wow.. the cable seems to spin quite fast Mar 10 17:09:04 <[XR]WarHammer> you dont need, you want ;-) Mar 10 17:09:05 we have a great place to do that init by us Mar 10 17:09:06 don't we all need things in all kinds of places Mar 10 17:09:09 <[XR]Shakotah> we suggested some moves to make the area freiendlier Mar 10 17:09:11 rose: what videocard do you have, out of curiousity? Mar 10 17:09:14 <[XR]Shakotah> friendlier Mar 10 17:09:20 Varen|BES where is that spot? :) Mar 10 17:09:21 <[XR]VoodooC> dria: ega Mar 10 17:09:25 <[XR]VoodooC> 16 colors!!!! woot Mar 10 17:09:27 And XR was affected, and so I relocated a line of tents to an area past the mountain range. Mar 10 17:09:28 start at altar by us Mar 10 17:09:30 Why should they be able to get around the crowding restrictions and hurt others in the process? Mar 10 17:09:33 voodoo: shush, I asked rose Mar 10 17:09:37 <[XR]VoodooC> img Mar 10 17:09:39 Lets pass a law to remove all XR buildings! Reclaim the bridge! Reclaim OE! Mar 10 17:09:40 <[XR]VoodooC> omg Mar 10 17:09:48 south to SofA, then to desert NW Mar 10 17:09:49 <[XR]VoodooC> ROSETHORN is whining too?? Mar 10 17:09:52 if you consider it an exploit [since there is a rule of crowding that is prevented, and they used a method to get around it.. that can be considered an exploit] .. then moving their buildings around [i think you should ask where they would like them perhaps?] is justified.. if you dont consider it an exploit then i dont think you should have moved them =) Mar 10 17:09:54 ti 4600 128 mb Mar 10 17:09:58 people aren't kind to the celeron 400s and geforce256's when they build.. camp + a group of like 20 people talking on a bridge = 10 mins to cross the thing Mar 10 17:09:58 i have a great system Mar 10 17:10:05 Whining Voodooc? Mar 10 17:10:09 rose: ok, just curious Mar 10 17:10:10 VoodooC No, it's Crossroads that's whining here Mar 10 17:10:11 --> aziza (aziza@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:10:11 <[XR]WarHammer> We did it before it was considered an exploit Mar 10 17:10:13 <[XR]VoodooC> ??? Mar 10 17:10:14 <[XR]VoodooC> lol Mar 10 17:10:16 <[XR]WarHammer> therefore we are grandfathered Mar 10 17:10:17 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> rose that's what I have & w/ no issues in my OWN camp Mar 10 17:10:22 --> Sirtech (rflarsen@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:10:27 <[XR]VoodooC> what are we whining about Mar 10 17:10:28 (xr's camp would bog me down completely...I only have a geforce3 ti 220) Mar 10 17:10:29 ok.. Mar 10 17:10:30 geez, everyone needs to calm down... this is like middle school Mar 10 17:10:33 Oh I'm sorry - of course you should be able to get around a basic rule of the game in a heavily trafficked area Mar 10 17:10:37 if anyone needs STEEL CABLE, he can trade Mar 10 17:10:37 no warhammer, it was always an exploit Mar 10 17:10:38 Teppy: Programmer and Mar 10 17:10:38 selfish *tries to self moderate* Mar 10 17:10:39 <[XR]WarHammer> I run a Geforce2 400 Mar 10 17:10:41 <[XR]Shakotah> yandros, where id we whine? Mar 10 17:10:42 XR has always been very upfront with me when contemplating anything "questionable" such as (attended) macros... Mar 10 17:10:42 <[XR]WarHammer> it works fine =P Mar 10 17:10:42 there is no need to play semantics about that Mar 10 17:10:44 what you mean" before it was considered an exploit"??? of course it is Mar 10 17:10:46 urban developer Mar 10 17:10:50 * Wikt[Sinai] self moderates walking off to atitd.info Mar 10 17:10:55 anyone looking for coltsfoot? Mar 10 17:11:06 <[XR]VoodooC> lol i just woke up, all i heard was we were getting slammed in forums/irc Mar 10 17:11:11 an exploit is an exploit both before and after you get caught Mar 10 17:11:23 how can everyone be so disrespectful? i want to believe that we don't need +m but im beginning to give up hope Mar 10 17:11:24 --- boris1 is now known as Boris Mar 10 17:11:24 hey phallanx long time no talk! Mar 10 17:11:32 it's a fact of life (online and off) that people will complain (heck, I whine a lot) Mar 10 17:11:42 Voodoo, let it go and it'll be over in a day or two Mar 10 17:11:47 phallanx: if we're not told it's illegal, we can't know it is Mar 10 17:11:48 <[XR]VoodooC> lol yeah Mar 10 17:11:48 <[XR]WarHammer> Always gotta find something Mar 10 17:11:52 --- Boris is now known as B0RIS Mar 10 17:12:02 <[XR]VoodooC> i know what BES felt lik ehuh :D Mar 10 17:12:06 --- Hirokache_Bed is now known as Hirokache_Cleaning Mar 10 17:12:12 Osahar - you know that thing you get that pops up and says you are too crowded to build in an area???? Mar 10 17:12:17 There are things in the game that may have been implemented for a technical reason we can't grasp on the high end Mar 10 17:12:24 this was a rather old exploit, honestly Mar 10 17:12:29 * Hirokache_Cleaning is away: its nagging girlfriend prevention time Mar 10 17:12:31 it was used in B2 Mar 10 17:12:32 Well, when there is a crowding limit.. and there is a way around it, its most likely no intended Mar 10 17:12:34 <[xr]Nikare> who cannot grasp? Mar 10 17:12:37 <[XR]Shakotah> guys, by the law we could have left camp as it was, we offered teppy the possiblity to move our camp to aleviate problems Mar 10 17:12:39 <-- B0RIS has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 10 17:12:39 And so in this case I helped them out by relocating the line of tents. Mar 10 17:12:42 bah, I'll be back when people arn't complaining. imho, Teppy, moving their stuff was a good idea, just don't forget about the people who are near the move and effected by it. Mar 10 17:12:59 I wentto the Uni and proposed a law, then heard teppy did this, so it wasn't needed Mar 10 17:13:04 A few people were affected by the move (their backyard became more crowded)... Mar 10 17:13:07 <[XR]VoodooC> that poor poor person with the sheep pen hehehehe Mar 10 17:13:08 But after relooking at hte camp, you guys are still overcrowded Mar 10 17:13:12 Teppy, if they keep on, let's go back to the Decay system Mar 10 17:13:16 So I might go back and redo that law again Mar 10 17:13:25 I saw something weird.. Mar 10 17:13:31 I have a question. How overcrowded is the area with the tents now? Mar 10 17:13:34 Did you pickup all the silt first then check /crowd? Mar 10 17:13:45 Could you Teppy come over to me? I'll get down cooords.. Mar 10 17:13:47 <[XR]VoodooC> lol is this the, 'crossroads doesnt donate enough research' bill rosethorn ;D Mar 10 17:13:50 <[XR]Shakotah> we have more stuff to relocate, but since protest started, we cant se to do so Mar 10 17:13:53 --> Kikamek (jmcbride@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:13:53 how bout this... Mar 10 17:13:53 And so I will help them a bit, and encourage XR to talk to the people affected... Mar 10 17:13:55 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> 90% Mar 10 17:14:00 Different issue Voodooc Mar 10 17:14:03 rose: did you turn all your graphics options down to minimum? might work enough to do the initiation ritual. Mar 10 17:14:05 --> zizlik (bear@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:14:06 Something's weird Mar 10 17:14:14 even better... turn off your screen Mar 10 17:14:16 ;) Mar 10 17:14:16 We at BES are, as always, willing to help people relocate into our neck of the woods. Mar 10 17:14:21 now way. no decay' Mar 10 17:14:24 dria, i did the initiation ritual before they got overcrowded Mar 10 17:14:31 And do what they can to help their new neighbors. Mar 10 17:14:32 If you consider it too crowded, come by VoK, and we'll show you places to camp Mar 10 17:14:34 but i'm specifically thinking about people in my guild I know don't have a good enough system Mar 10 17:14:35 the crowd thing acts strangely Mar 10 17:14:35 Rosethorn: XR isn't the only place in Egypt that's overcrowded. Mar 10 17:14:38 <[XR]Shakotah> rose already did init ritual, with one of XR Mar 10 17:14:42 Two things I don't understand: 1) How can people NOT consider it bug abuse. "Hmm. THe code won't allow me to build on this spot, but if I move over here, I can build it and slide it to the exact spot that the code would not allow me to build." 2) How can an admin catch someone blaitantly abusing the bug, fix the bug, and then NOT smack the abusers around? Mar 10 17:14:45 --- Toxy is now known as [XR]Toxy Mar 10 17:14:46 Varen> Yes, I saw just how you help first hand Mar 10 17:14:49 --> Renanton (Jontee@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:14:52 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> I did talk to one of the affected people for over 20 minutes last night. Zulie - the sheep owner. Mar 10 17:14:57 <[XR]Shakotah> before??? Mar 10 17:14:59 rose: so you're not actually complaining yourself, you're complaining on behalf of people who may or may not have a problem? Mar 10 17:15:02 I stand in a nice patch of land.. some bulidings around.. many space Mar 10 17:15:03 <[xr]Nikare> I bought 2 new laptops just to play the game :) Mar 10 17:15:05 I'm sure they aren't Osahar, but they are the only ones who planted in a spot that is required by all of OE Mar 10 17:15:07 75% crowding..!?!? Mar 10 17:15:09 i.e. - that bridge Mar 10 17:15:10 one for each hand? Mar 10 17:15:11 <[XR]VoodooC> people: honestly, i didnt think it was an exploit. i discovered it as a first day noob. My thought was: if they check roads on build/place, why arent they checking crowd on build/place? oh well, cool, we can get aronud that 'cant build past 100% crowding' bug :D Mar 10 17:15:17 So you made yourselves a target with that Mar 10 17:15:19 <-- Chaffinch has quit (Quit: Client Exiting) Mar 10 17:15:24 <[XR]VoodooC> As soon as Teppy said it was a problem Mar 10 17:15:28 and I'm horribly dismayed to learn XR put guild houses over other people's art Mar 10 17:15:31 thats disgusting Mar 10 17:15:38 <[XR]VoodooC> oh for petes sake Mar 10 17:15:41 --- Osahar[XR] is now known as [XR]Osahar Mar 10 17:15:44 fight ! Mar 10 17:15:44 <[XR]VoodooC> people in this game find anything we do disgusting Mar 10 17:15:52 Only when you act selfishly Mar 10 17:15:57 Lets outlaw disgusting things. Mar 10 17:15:59 <[XR]VoodooC> so far, in two weeks, it has been: 1. macros 2. research 3. crowding Mar 10 17:15:59 Yes, the crowding limit is a bug... Mar 10 17:16:13 <[XR]Shakotah> what? when did we build on top of art? Mar 10 17:16:22 Why would you feel the need to block other people's art? Mar 10 17:16:23 <[XR]Toxy> Even if it was a bug, it wasn't done for any sort of personal gain Mar 10 17:16:25 <[XR]Shakotah> I took my sculpture down to make space Mar 10 17:16:29 What is the word on macros now? Mar 10 17:16:29 --> Teti (dpeg@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:16:29 Ask VoodooC Mar 10 17:16:29 Officailly? Mar 10 17:16:29 <[XR]Toxy> and didn't result in any Mar 10 17:16:40 Well, since Voodoo is the Stranger, it would only make sense that they are the center of strife in Egypt. But that doesn't explain BES... hmm... Mar 10 17:16:41 <[XR]Toxy> so why is trashing the buildings warranted? Mar 10 17:16:44 <[xr]Nikare> you play your way and let others play their game Mar 10 17:16:44 --- kembo|zzz is now known as kembo Mar 10 17:16:45 <[XR]VoodooC> lol sax Mar 10 17:17:02 how did we get into this??? :) Mar 10 17:17:08 I had surmised that yesterday Sax :) Mar 10 17:17:11 Toxy, not for personal gain???? You got your camp all together, instead of needing to run abit to the different parts of it Mar 10 17:17:14 But I think the stranger would be a tad more subtle Mar 10 17:17:15 for once, I can honestly say we had NOTHING to do with it :) Mar 10 17:17:15 so what would be a good solution to the people who are upset about this, tar and feathering? Mar 10 17:17:18 The part that I have a problem with is that it was done over and over and over and over and ..... with seemingly no penalty. Mar 10 17:17:29 Varen: heh Mar 10 17:17:34 <[XR]Shakotah> ok, our camp is all togheter, the other option is why occupy 1/2 OE Mar 10 17:17:42 <[XR]VoodooC> doku: we have to spend all day reloc'ing, thats not penalty?? Mar 10 17:17:46 <-- Armessin[SOT] has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:17:46 <[XR]WarHammer> Doku: read the pharaohs statement earlier Mar 10 17:17:52 lol you aren't that big Shakotah - dont flatter yourselves Mar 10 17:17:54 Nikare: ok, i'll use a bug that gets around that carry capacity bug, i'm not hurting anyone else.. let me play my way =/ Mar 10 17:17:57 <[XR]VoodooC> lol Mar 10 17:17:58 and I offer this, as proof of a conspiracy!!! 3/5 of my guild got the crystal... Bes... Mar 10 17:18:00 <[XR]Shakotah> we didnt do like other people and start making bonfires all around to claim land Mar 10 17:18:04 <[XR]VoodooC> yeah only the biggest guild in egypt ;d Mar 10 17:18:05 <[XR]VoodooC> ;] Mar 10 17:18:07 --> zWolf-Work (zwolf@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:18:12 <-- Renanton (Jontee@152.78.191.92) has left #atitd Mar 10 17:18:13 weird Varen Mar 10 17:18:14 <[XR]Toxy> not having to run a bit isn't anywhere near the scale of something like an item duplication exploit Mar 10 17:18:16 <[XR]Shakotah> we are 50 member Mar 10 17:18:22 No, it isn't, VoodooC... had the buuildings beed deleted (not salvaged or moved) it would have been a _START_ at a penalty. Mar 10 17:18:27 <[XR]VoodooC> XR is CONSPIRING to take BES's position as most-hated guild Mar 10 17:18:31 bonfires, now they should decay Mar 10 17:18:31 There is tons of land Mar 10 17:18:31 <[XR]Shakotah> we destroy redundant buildings Mar 10 17:18:34 hehe Mar 10 17:18:36 crossroads was not treated differently than everyone else in terms of the crowding, but each exploit is different and should be handled different Mar 10 17:18:38 its easy to build a huge camp Mar 10 17:18:38 Seems yer off the hook, Teppy. Everyone hates XR more than you. Mar 10 17:18:39 <[xr]Nikare> go for it Mar 10 17:18:40 and not exploit Mar 10 17:18:41 true, but it still was a exploit, no matter waht you say Mar 10 17:18:42 We're equal parts loved and hated Mar 10 17:18:58 get me some limestone - I'll love you ;) Mar 10 17:18:59 Varen: I'm absolutely neutral to y'all, fwiw :) Mar 10 17:19:02 There is no current law stating that exploiters will be banned or such Mar 10 17:19:03 I did what I thought would have the gentlest impact overall, considering that this "exploit" caused little/no gain to XR. Mar 10 17:19:04 <[XR]Toxy> it was an exploit true, but not every exploit is equally severe Mar 10 17:19:09 <[XR]VoodooC> i gotta go see the forums 1 sec i hear they're good Mar 10 17:19:17 --> InfraCat (InfraCat@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:19:18 --- zWolf-Work is now known as [XR]zWOlf Mar 10 17:19:18 To smite them for this would have been unfortunate Mar 10 17:19:24 --> Kry-Zoth (Kry-Zoth@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:19:24 if I'm exploiting the collision code by walking up a wall face or something, its a bit different than crashing the server at will Mar 10 17:19:30 <[XR]zWOlf> hi all. Mar 10 17:19:32 As exploits go this isn't that bad Mar 10 17:19:44 I've seen worse... today Mar 10 17:19:45 --> Salamander (noneya@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:19:47 'Tell me who to smite, and he shall be smoten!' Mar 10 17:19:49 So, then the penalty is based on how muich the user gains from the exploit? Not how constantly/consistantly they abuse the exploit? Mar 10 17:19:52 hehe, Burtimus Mar 10 17:19:52 <[XR]VoodooC> its not like the dupe item exploit we're using Mar 10 17:19:53 <[XR]VoodooC> er i mean Mar 10 17:20:02 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> sghut up Mar 10 17:20:05 <[XR]Osahar> awww....our newest initiate's here ;) Thanks for the support zWolf! Speak with Rosethorn for abuse. Mar 10 17:20:08 No, its not bad Mar 10 17:20:11 <[XR]VoodooC> doku: the pharoah has been at our camp every day for the last two weeks Mar 10 17:20:17 And the impact it creates Doku, as well as whether the violater knew it was an obvious violation Mar 10 17:20:18 Dude! Teppy is here! Don't tell him about the dupe thing! Mar 10 17:20:19 <[XR]VoodooC> its not like weve been hiding :D :D Mar 10 17:20:20 Doku, try intent, do you think they intended to cause harm? Mar 10 17:20:23 But it IS an exploit Mar 10 17:20:28 I don't htink you guys should be tarred and feathered Mar 10 17:20:29 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> We don;t dude... Mar 10 17:20:32 Doku, until it is determined an Exploit, there was no breaking it Mar 10 17:20:35 Doku, or intended to benifit? Mar 10 17:20:38 ok, so, a) it's not bad, b) it's been fixed in the code, and c) it can't happen again Mar 10 17:20:42 <[XR]VoodooC> roethorn: were fixing it, i dont know what else were supposed to do :D Mar 10 17:20:42 so the difference between using it once and many is nil Mar 10 17:20:46 why are people freaking out about this again? Mar 10 17:20:52 <[XR]Osahar> Question to Rosethorn: What would you like to see done? Mar 10 17:20:55 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> beats us. Mar 10 17:20:56 <[XR]VoodooC> lol becaue crossroads == teh bog Mar 10 17:20:57 thats all I ask VoodooC :) Mar 10 17:20:58 <-- Tedrick[Sphinx] has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:21:01 dria, I'm trying to UNfreak :) Mar 10 17:21:01 <[XR]Toxy> dria: people love to get mad Mar 10 17:21:07 -SO, until someone declares it an exploit it is ok to do? Mar 10 17:21:12 I'm not trying to "abuse" you guys Mar 10 17:21:16 Varen: the whole thing is actually sort of amusing Mar 10 17:21:28 <[XR]Osahar> Wait wait wait...if you're just asking us to fix it, why are you complaining about the tent move?! Mar 10 17:21:29 <[XR]VoodooC> ok rose, then this sould be a non-issue :D the first thing i did when i heard was start planning re-zoning Mar 10 17:21:30 So anyway, from now on I would ask that when you find something that you think *may* be an exploit... Mar 10 17:21:31 people freak out at the strangest stuff Mar 10 17:21:33 no, Petis, they should have identified it and reported it Mar 10 17:21:41 I, for one, don't care about this one way or another. But I'll jump in at any chance to discredit Voodoo and his cult. Mar 10 17:21:43 but, doing it once or many is really the same thing Mar 10 17:21:45 <[XR]Toxy> petis: so even the smallest exploit should be treated with the harshest punishment available? Mar 10 17:21:49 Even if it's something that has been there for a while... Mar 10 17:21:49 "in for a penny, in for a pound" Mar 10 17:21:51 So, you say it didn't cause any problems then, XR? Then why is teppy here discussing it? and why did he need to change the code? and why did he need to waste time moving your il-gotten bulldings? Mar 10 17:21:53 Toxy, no Mar 10 17:21:57 <[XR]Shakotah> we are trying to relocate some stuff, the highlanders left/joined our guild, we wanted to extend to where they were. We really dont want to push people out or take over land Mar 10 17:21:58 <[XR]VoodooC> teppy: i would have mentioned it had i thought it not been obvious :D Mar 10 17:21:58 Teppy - I have a list of stuff I need to send you - Pharaoh @ egenesis okay? Mar 10 17:22:00 C'mon guys - self moderate... Mar 10 17:22:03 So anyway, from now on I would ask that when you find something that you think *may* be an exploit... Mar 10 17:22:04 Even if it's something that has been there for a while... Mar 10 17:22:15 Check with me and say "is this ok" ? Mar 10 17:22:19 aye-aye, Pharoah Mar 10 17:22:24 personally, anyone who is dumb enough to overcrowd and lag out their own camp deserves what they get. Mar 10 17:22:24 <[XR]VoodooC> sorry boss Mar 10 17:22:29 hey teppy.... is this ok? Mar 10 17:22:33 Does that seem like a good way to go forward? Mar 10 17:22:36 But I don't think the defence ( it is only a small exploit so we aren't reporting it) is a valid one Mar 10 17:22:36 --> gaff (gaff@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:22:38 how bout check PRIVATELY Mar 10 17:22:41 I have seen a sculpture of a guy "exploiting" a sheep! Mar 10 17:22:46 <[XR]VoodooC> honeslty thats the way we try to do it Mar 10 17:22:47 <[XR]Shakotah> well, we mostlly are not affected by lag, most complaints come from visitors Mar 10 17:22:47 don't announce it here, PLEASE Mar 10 17:22:48 Petis - I think we can let it go now Mar 10 17:22:50 <[XR]Shakotah> or Rose Mar 10 17:22:55 phallanx - must be a bug. Mar 10 17:22:55 :) Mar 10 17:22:58 aye Mar 10 17:23:00 heh Mar 10 17:23:04 or a bugger. Mar 10 17:23:04 :) Mar 10 17:23:05 it's not a serious issue, really - and you *know* what a bitch I am Mar 10 17:23:06 <[XR]VoodooC> i seriously didnt think it was a big prob cause i thought it was so obvious, and because i thought Pharoah was aware Mar 10 17:23:10 Petis> Even a small exploit is still an exploit Mar 10 17:23:10 Teppy, do people count against crowding? Mar 10 17:23:16 <[XR]VoodooC> we are doing everything we can to fix it atm Mar 10 17:23:22 Thats good to hear Mar 10 17:23:22 Heph: Ironically, yes. Mar 10 17:23:24 <[XR]VoodooC> including trying to buy me lots of salvage :] Mar 10 17:23:37 <[XR]VoodooC> so does silt, etc. Mar 10 17:23:39 THAT EXPLAINS IT!!! Mar 10 17:23:41 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> yea look at our forums. Mar 10 17:23:42 Thank you, Teppy! Mar 10 17:23:44 Whatever. We have a legal system. If people care about this strongly enough, pass a law. Mar 10 17:23:46 haha Mar 10 17:23:46 XR: that you aren't affected by lagging, could be because most of the data is there all the time, couldn't it? Mar 10 17:23:47 Pharoah doesn't actually PLAY the game.. nothing of the in-game mechanics is obvious to him. Mar 10 17:23:55 --> Chaffinch (Chaffinch@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:24:00 So an empty field with a big group of people would be "crowded" for the time they are there. Mar 10 17:24:01 I was getting conflicting results with something last night - and now I understand.. PEOPLE were affecting it Mar 10 17:24:02 I see it now... "Everyone log out, I want to build a building"! Mar 10 17:24:05 <[XR]VoodooC> yeah apparently not doku Mar 10 17:24:06 I was going to Sax - I didn't realize it was being handled through other means Mar 10 17:24:17 <[XR]Toxy> I don't think pharaoh is so oblivious as to not noticec there were too many buildings in that area Mar 10 17:24:19 XR: as for visitors, they have to process all of your camp every time they pass by Mar 10 17:24:25 Doku> GMs are still players and report directly to Teppy Mar 10 17:24:31 <[XR]Osahar> Aldaturo: You are CORRECT! So to all, we'd like to extend our arms and ask that you join XR, today! Avoid the lag and get in with the biggest guild in Egypt at the same time! Mar 10 17:24:40 Varen: That's exactly why I always figured "well, people can make it painful for themselves by getting past 100% if they want" Mar 10 17:24:41 <[XR]VoodooC> lol osa Mar 10 17:24:48 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> w00t. Join us! Mar 10 17:24:51 The crowding measurement is an approximate thing./ Mar 10 17:24:52 <[XR]VoodooC> yes, join us, your uniqueness will be added to our own Mar 10 17:24:53 Teppy, what about the neighbors that were negatively ipmacted by the move? Mar 10 17:24:53 ****Anyone that has zink ore to trade give me a tell ingame*** Mar 10 17:24:57 <[XR]Shakotah> LOL oshar Mar 10 17:24:59 <[XR]zWOlf> Whew, lots of typing going on.... hard to keep up with you al! Mar 10 17:25:02 Osahar - how would joining XR avoid lag? Mar 10 17:25:06 <[XR]Osahar> Resistance is fultile Mar 10 17:25:14 <[XR]VoodooC> lol Mar 10 17:25:18 <[XR]Shakotah> on, not another WE ARE THE BORG Mar 10 17:25:24 <[XR]Osahar> Talies: XR: that you aren't affected by lagging, could be because most of the data is there all the time, couldn't it? Mar 10 17:25:28 <[XR]zWOlf> Thx for the greets osh Mar 10 17:25:29 Teppy, how did you pick the current limits for crowding? is it truely what the limit can be to prevent problems or can it ever be reduced? Mar 10 17:25:30 InfrCat: I will help them, and have encouraged XR to help them as well. The idea is to have the smallest impact possible. Mar 10 17:25:42 <[xr]Nikare> we dont lag even on modems for some reason, sorry to hear you do. Mar 10 17:25:50 of course, that is if you are in around the camp alot Mar 10 17:25:51 hrm Mar 10 17:25:56 <[xr]Nikare> I thought it was just awsome coding Mar 10 17:26:01 <[XR]Osahar> Yeah...it's really limited to CPU Mar 10 17:26:02 <-- Bohemu has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:26:04 <[XR]VoodooC> nikare: thats because of our aimbot Mar 10 17:26:05 isn't it a good thing to keep camps self-contained and avoid sprawl? Mar 10 17:26:07 "Lag" is totally based on your video card... Mar 10 17:26:13 <[XR]Shakotah> for us it is a pain to relocate camp, the only reason we are doing it is because it affects other people Mar 10 17:26:13 <[XR]Osahar> and I'm on a P3 450 with 256MB RAM... Mar 10 17:26:17 <[XR]Osahar> I don't lag much Mar 10 17:26:18 I spent several hours in OE, exploring once.. and this was early on, mind you, and all the sculptures there were playing merry havoc with my system Mar 10 17:26:21 <[XR]VoodooC> salome: thats what we were trying to do Mar 10 17:26:30 <[XR]Osahar> Well...looks like I'm wrong ;) Mar 10 17:26:36 --- MKnight86-AFK is now known as Bandil|Playing Mar 10 17:26:38 Teppy, Thank you for that news. I did experience considerable lag in the XR area when visiting in the past. Mar 10 17:26:40 <-- Hans- has quit (Quit: KVIrc 3.0.0-xmas 'Avatar') Mar 10 17:26:42 Except for a very few cases, server lag should be totally hidden by the client. Mar 10 17:26:43 my celeron 400 with a geforce256 dies, easily Mar 10 17:26:54 i am just trying to figure out what the big deal is? Mar 10 17:27:00 <[XR]VoodooC> lol Mar 10 17:27:06 <-- Narafeti[Traders] has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:27:07 <[XR]Osahar> My Radeon 7000 blows, but I manage well enough Mar 10 17:27:08 <[XR]VoodooC> salome: its the latest hate-crossroads topic :D Mar 10 17:27:11 my xp2000 with a ti4200 seems to bite it a lot too.. Mar 10 17:27:11 <[xr]Nikare> cel2g w 512, gforce 420 laptop Mar 10 17:27:14 Cool experiment: Physicall disconnect from the net.; You can still play for 30 seconds. Mar 10 17:27:16 --> Nefertari (Nefertari@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:27:21 <[XR]Osahar> Seriously guys...just join us and you won't notice the lag ;) Mar 10 17:27:25 Kath: Try a celeron 300 with a TNT2....I live in DoS for a reason, nobody else does. ;) Mar 10 17:27:36 Teppy: except your veggies won't grow ;) Mar 10 17:27:41 --> Nodjmet (frequently@152.78.191.92) has joined #ATITD Mar 10 17:27:42 yup Mar 10 17:27:42 <-- ott[SotE] (ott[SotE]@152.78.191.92) has left #atitd Mar 10 17:27:49 I have veggie issues in seriously lagged areas Mar 10 17:27:50 hehe Mar 10 17:27:54 Teppy[eGenesis]: I did that. the girlfriend unplugged our router and it actually took just over a minute before I knew it Mar 10 17:27:54 I'm playing on a laptop Mar 10 17:27:55 What hardware/OS are you running server side? Mar 10 17:27:56 i have TNT2 with no lag Mar 10 17:27:57 <[XR]zWOlf> IT's true, I started the game, then Joined the XR, now 'poof' no lag! Mar 10 17:27:57 So... wait... this whole thing is just a stunt by XR to recruit? Mar 10 17:28:01 I was flaxxing away :) Mar 10 17:28:08 <[XR]zWOlf> lol sax. Mar 10 17:28:09 <[XR]VoodooC> lol sax Mar 10 17:28:10 Dria: Yes. Certain timer based things (but not *all* timer based things) will show as lag. Mar 10 17:28:11 Teppy, does the resync happen at the client or server placement? Mar 10 17:28:21 Teppy, do you think its possable that with the move disance changed, that the 250ft radius can be reduced or the crowding limit can be raised? or is its current settings optimal? Mar 10 17:28:22 * Wikt[Sinai] => GeForce 2 and 1,5 GHz 4 Mar 10 17:28:26 if you disconnected for 30 seconds? Mar 10 17:28:26 <[XR]Osahar> Saxamon...no Mar 10 17:28:28 * Wikt[Sinai] => WinXP Prog. Mar 10 17:28:29 can't we all just get along? Mar 10 17:28:31 <[XR]Osahar> this is a serious issue Mar 10 17:28:31 :) Mar 10 17:28:31 *Prof. Mar 10 17:28:32 <[XR]Toxy> we got teppy to make this whole game so we could have people to recruit Mar 10 17:28:37 Current settings are about how I want them. Mar 10 17:28:39 what the temperature range for making glass? Mar 10 17:28:40 <[XR]Osahar> Best resolved by joining XR Mar 10 17:28:40 <[XR]VoodooC> sax: actually all of our 'crises' so far have been cunningly engineered PR ploys Mar 10 17:28:41 * Burtimus takes his clothes off and frolicks. Mar 10 17:28:42 I believe the lag in high building areas is in relation to the user system / video. It is worse on some systems I have tried then others. Mar 10 17:28:45 <[XR]VoodooC> EDDIE WOULD BE SO PROUD OF ME Mar 10 17:29:07 * [XR]zWOlf joining XR was 'the thing' that convinced me to plop down the monthly fee though... so that's something... Mar 10 17:29:10 --> Aiko (chatzilla@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:29:10 --- Guildy|Chores is now known as Guildy|Lunch[Out] Mar 10 17:29:11 Voodoo: I've been quite impressed by the spin you've managed to put on all your evil acts. You are indeed quite cunning. Mar 10 17:29:13 --> FoA|Pjotr (Pjotr@152.78.191.92) has joined #ATITD Mar 10 17:29:19 <[XR]VoodooC> thank you Mar 10 17:29:28 question.. why can't you minimize atitd? everytime i do it crashes? =) Mar 10 17:29:31 he's like a subgenius! Mar 10 17:29:31 I'm going to set a waypoint at each end of my camp I think :P Mar 10 17:29:38 <[XR]Toxy> mine doesn't crash shetan Mar 10 17:29:39 I know a quick solve... we have a builder raise al island out of the sea and relocate Crossroads tehre and let them crowd as much as they want Mar 10 17:29:42 I paid because I already went a ltitle too far in ATITD to stop easily Mar 10 17:29:42 <[XR]Toxy> time to reinstall windows :) Mar 10 17:29:44 mine minimizes fine Mar 10 17:29:49 <[XR]VoodooC> XR news post: today the borg lovingly eviscerated 10 small children for the good of the collective Mar 10 17:29:49 nah.. just very good at "social engineering" Mar 10 17:29:52 <[xr]Nikare> got slack? Mar 10 17:29:55 so who was hurt by this? Mar 10 17:30:01 my feelings Mar 10 17:30:06 ;P Mar 10 17:30:09 aw Mar 10 17:30:14 <[XR]VoodooC> lol Mar 10 17:30:15 <-- Salamander has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:30:20 Mar 10 17:30:26 <-- phallanx has quit (Quit: User disconnected) Mar 10 17:30:26 <-- Kry-Zoth has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:30:31 --> [XR]Nehkara (nehkara@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:30:32 Teppy Mar 10 17:30:34 <[XR]Shakotah> a couple of people saw 30 tents appear by their camps and freaked a bit Mar 10 17:30:35 One small request? Mar 10 17:30:43 <[XR]VoodooC> well Mar 10 17:30:47 What's that, Talies? Mar 10 17:30:47 <[XR]Osahar> Voodoo as guild elder and evil genius...hmmmm Mar 10 17:30:52 <[XR]VoodooC> we can solve this problem, you know people Mar 10 17:30:54 Could you raise the crowding limit by about 10% to account for people, then? Mar 10 17:30:54 * [XR]Nehkara rubs his hands together Mar 10 17:30:55 <[XR]VoodooC> very very easily Mar 10 17:30:55 is there a demand for a level 3 salvage anywhere? Mar 10 17:30:56 HoH: News post, yeasterday we got 1 new member, but he will only play on weekends. Nothing else. Mar 10 17:31:04 <[XR]VoodooC> And now, to keep XR from overcrowding Egypt Mar 10 17:31:07 <[XR]VoodooC> we demand payment of Mar 10 17:31:08 <[XR]VoodooC> ...ONE MILLION GOLD! Mar 10 17:31:11 * Wikt[Sinai] would like his gulid's name to be ridden of the ! at the end Mar 10 17:31:13 <[XR]Osahar> MUAHAHAHAHA Mar 10 17:31:15 Talies: No - the current limit is about where I want it. Mar 10 17:31:15 <[XR]VoodooC> BWAHAHahhAHAHHahhAHh Mar 10 17:31:16 Whats that Pekka? Mar 10 17:31:16 <[XR]Osahar> MUAHAHAHAHA Mar 10 17:31:17 <[XR]Toxy> talies, that will just create the same problem with a slightly higher crowding limit Mar 10 17:31:19 * [XR]VoodooC cackles and rubs his hands Mar 10 17:31:20 our camp is fairly well spread out, but I'm finding that 2 people walking by make it hard to grow veggies Mar 10 17:31:24 <-- Kikamek has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:31:27 hm Mar 10 17:31:27 <[XR]zWOlf> lol Voodoo Mar 10 17:31:30 then branch out Mar 10 17:31:31 <[XR]WarHammer> : insert evil laugh Mar 10 17:31:38 hehe Mar 10 17:31:39 Voodoo> I already know protection against that. The B3 decay system Mar 10 17:31:40 is there a way to ignore anyone with [XR] at the start of their nick? Mar 10 17:31:42 Teppy: Do you have any plans to port the client to Mac OS X in the future..? :) Mar 10 17:31:43 <[XR]Shakotah> we grow veggies in the middle of our camp, no problem Mar 10 17:31:44 * dria experiments Mar 10 17:31:47 <[XR]VoodooC> lol yan Mar 10 17:31:48 --> DrHealex (DrHealex@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:31:49 Kevlar: Yes Mar 10 17:31:49 "Don't deesturb the weggetables! They are sleeeepeeng!" Mar 10 17:31:52 I hated the decay system Mar 10 17:31:54 <[XR]Shakotah> we even grow them inside sheep/cammel pends Mar 10 17:31:59 <[XR]Osahar> Talies: we grow garlic at our camel pen Mar 10 17:31:59 :) Great, thats fantastic Mar 10 17:32:04 and we have no trouble not crowding our camp area Mar 10 17:32:09 So did I, Rose, but it'd fix the overcrowding Mar 10 17:32:11 <[XR]zWOlf> lol dria. Mar 10 17:32:11 onions are enough that have to be kept up Mar 10 17:32:12 we picked a large valley area in a low traffic spot Mar 10 17:32:22 heavy? Mar 10 17:32:27 but isn't egypt a huge space with vast amounts of uninhabited land? Mar 10 17:32:28 <[XR]WarHammer> thats nice Mar 10 17:32:33 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> w00t OSX! Mar 10 17:32:34 'tis Mar 10 17:32:36 yup Salome Mar 10 17:32:43 but the primo locations are somewhat valued Mar 10 17:32:46 There's no reason to crowd Mar 10 17:32:55 <[XR]Osahar> Well, we purposefully picked a small valley area in a high traffic spot to purposefully overcrowd and lag you. Like someone said earlier...you play your way, we'll play ours ;) Mar 10 17:32:56 <-- [XR]Shakotah has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:33:00 There are tons of primo locations not being used at all Mar 10 17:33:05 there are so many -really good- places for camps out there that no one is anywhere close to Mar 10 17:33:07 my tent for example.... many visitors. Mar 10 17:33:14 "all the good places are gone" is just bunk Mar 10 17:33:18 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> male visitors? Mar 10 17:33:18 <[XR]Osahar> But seriously folks.... Mar 10 17:33:19 then perhaps there's a bug in our area :P Mar 10 17:33:21 --> [XR]Shakotah (chatzilla@152.78.191.92) has joined #ATITD Mar 10 17:33:21 <[XR]Osahar> join XR Mar 10 17:33:26 Ok Osahar - I can see XR is not the kind of guild I want to associate with the more I am learning about your "group mentality" Mar 10 17:33:33 Burtimus, sheep and camels aren't considered visitors ;} Mar 10 17:33:34 Its a shame I like some of your members so much. Mar 10 17:33:35 <[XR]Osahar> I'm just making fun Mar 10 17:33:38 baaaah! Mar 10 17:33:47 shh... dolly! Mar 10 17:33:48 <[xr]Nikare> mooooo Mar 10 17:33:50 <[XR]Osahar> I'm actually not sure what we've been arguing over, though Mar 10 17:33:53 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> Our guild is all about cooperation. Think Collective. Mar 10 17:33:54 <[XR]Toxy> he's being sarcastic rose :) Mar 10 17:33:54 Osahar: lol, in a game where reputation is worth more than gold, your recruitment campaign could use some work :) Mar 10 17:33:59 <[XR]Shakotah> rose: we are not that bad, we like to goof a lot Mar 10 17:33:59 I walked thru XP camp last night for the first time in 2 weeks. I thought nomadic tent dwellers had taken over their camp. ;) Mar 10 17:34:00 <[XR]zWOlf> Rosethorn, hope your taking 70% of the comments her in the 'humor' that they are intended. Mar 10 17:34:00 Cooperation within your guild Mar 10 17:34:01 <[XR]Osahar> Because currently we're trying to fix the problem Mar 10 17:34:04 as for the rest of Egypt, screw them Mar 10 17:34:10 that's pretty much what i'm understanding Mar 10 17:34:12 <[XR]Toxy> dria: there are some people who will hate us no matter what we do Mar 10 17:34:17 its like egyptian woodstock. Mar 10 17:34:25 <[XR]Osahar> Rose: if you read our forums, you'd see that's not the case Mar 10 17:34:25 all we need is a good rainstorm Mar 10 17:34:26 I am zWolf :) Mar 10 17:34:28 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> Cooperation within egypt. Mar 10 17:34:31 <[XR]Toxy> people who want us banned for exploiting the overcrowding bug come to mind Mar 10 17:34:33 toxy: yeah, big guilds are a target Mar 10 17:34:34 I've yet to see that Mar 10 17:34:41 <[xr]Nikare> the humor impaired cannot be fixed, don't even try. Mar 10 17:34:45 I don't think anyone seriously wants you banned Mar 10 17:34:47 <[XR]Shakotah> we cooperate with others too Mar 10 17:34:49 Rosethorn> Not enough time in a day for that many "visitiations" Mar 10 17:34:50 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> We've contributed to lots of research in RP Mar 10 17:34:52 Bah. We're a long way from our perfect society. We haven't unlocked the tech for cooperation yet. Mar 10 17:34:53 <[XR]Shakotah> tell me when we didnt Mar 10 17:34:54 personally, i like XR Mar 10 17:34:54 <[XR]Toxy> check the messageboard rose :) Mar 10 17:34:58 <[XR]Nehkara> Rosethorn Mar 10 17:35:04 <[XR]Nehkara> we are trying to fix something Mar 10 17:35:05 who is humorifically impaired? Mar 10 17:35:06 yes so move to RP then Mar 10 17:35:09 <[XR]Nehkara> and as far as I can tell Mar 10 17:35:15 I've seen the situation there - I think the solution was acceptable, and the only overcrowding problem I've had is bonfires Mar 10 17:35:18 BONFIRES!!! Mar 10 17:35:19 <[XR]Nehkara> we are under fire for trying to fix it Mar 10 17:35:21 I hate bonfires!!! Mar 10 17:35:23 crossroads, there are people out there who will attack anyone they think is doing better than them, making jokes is risky because they will take it literaly Mar 10 17:35:27 <[XR]Nehkara> I think that's a little unfair Mar 10 17:35:33 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> We like it in the North. We are starting a plan to contrib more to OE. Check our forums. Mar 10 17:35:34 No, if you are trying to fix it, thats good :) Mar 10 17:35:39 Talies> Try refining limestone without a bonfire Mar 10 17:35:41 <[XR]Shakotah> just last week i spent 3 hours telling everyobdy arround about the pox epidemic and warning them Mar 10 17:35:42 Did I mention that I hate bonfires? Mar 10 17:35:49 Yeah, what's the status on the various "can light small bonfires after an hour" type laws? Mar 10 17:35:52 <[XR]Osahar> In the past, all problems people have come to XR with about our guild have been immediately addressed. Mar 10 17:36:02 Yandros - um... that's all well and good, but how many 1-wood bonfires does it take to refine limestone? Mar 10 17:36:08 Well, yeah, but once XR takes control of the Egyptian senate, our legal system will be powerless against them. Mar 10 17:36:09 Not that we *have* any limestone :( Mar 10 17:36:09 need 5 more signings on my Mar 10 17:36:11 <[XR]Osahar> Teppy: I've signed so many I've got CTS Mar 10 17:36:16 what about your strong overpowering camel odour? Mar 10 17:36:20 <-- Kevlar has quit (Ping timeout) Mar 10 17:36:32 --> otter (otter@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:36:41 I'm carryig a copy of sliv's - but she's never on Mar 10 17:36:43 <[XR]Shakotah> XR cant dominate anything, we cant agree what to do with ourselfs halv the time, check our forums Mar 10 17:36:45 <[XR]zWOlf> cool we can take over the senate? Mar 10 17:36:52 oh Mar 10 17:36:53 <[XR]zWOlf> I love this game :-P Mar 10 17:36:56 can I be brutus!? Mar 10 17:36:58 could any1 tell me what the temperature range for making glass? Mar 10 17:37:01 <[XR]zWOlf> y tu? Mar 10 17:37:01 does anyone have 100 tin ore for trade? Mar 10 17:37:02 nm - she um... quit Mar 10 17:37:02 <[xr]Nikare> et tu brutus? Mar 10 17:37:20 Shaun: i got tin Mar 10 17:37:22 --> Khatzesput (katze@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:37:27 Nefertari> 1700-2300 gives a nice little safety margin Mar 10 17:37:34 <-- Pekkaman has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:37:34 less than 1000 wood bonfires to be lit by anyone after 1 hour, would be great Mar 10 17:37:41 --> Taarka (fritzenato@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:37:49 <-- phinter|7l (gunder@152.78.191.92) has left #atitd Mar 10 17:37:50 Yandros: thx a bunch :) Mar 10 17:37:57 can one grow pappy at RP? Mar 10 17:38:04 sure Mar 10 17:38:11 if yes then I place a waypoint in RP, they have large tech advancement Mar 10 17:38:13 :) Mar 10 17:38:16 If you need/want glassblowing help, private message me Mar 10 17:38:20 <[XR]Shakotah> Rose, have we really treated you that badlly? i apologize and would ask you to talk with me this afternoon in game Mar 10 17:38:22 I'll explain the bench statistics Mar 10 17:38:29 Are we here to discuss the fact that some people who made an effort to be isolated and uncrowded ended up with a large bunch of unwanted neighbours? Or has that issue been dealt with now? Mar 10 17:38:32 any guilds in VoK have members on during the day? i play mostly during the day and I can walk for hours without seeing one person at another site Mar 10 17:38:32 gtg bye ! Mar 10 17:38:35 VAren: thx :) Mar 10 17:38:37 <[XR]Shakotah> let me know what are your grievances, lets see if we can solve them Mar 10 17:38:38 --> Deadite66 (Deadite66@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:38:40 <[xr]Nikare> bonfires dont bother me, but the less than 1000 law would get my support Mar 10 17:38:43 personally, I build drying racks to claim my territory, they look MUCH cooler Mar 10 17:38:48 there is no way to be isolated Mar 10 17:38:52 <-- Gryvix-afk has quit (Quit: Client Exiting) Mar 10 17:38:52 for long, at least Mar 10 17:38:57 <[XR]Toxy> nodjmet: there is no way to guarantee that you isolate yourself Mar 10 17:38:58 a long wall of racks Mar 10 17:39:00 <[xr]Nikare> if yer gonna mark a vein ya better be serious about it :) Mar 10 17:39:04 <[XR]Osahar> In honor of the stink raised over XR, I'd like to divert everyone's to the following: BONFIRES...RABBLE...BES...RABBLE.... Mar 10 17:39:10 --- Nefertari is now known as Nefertari|GLASS Mar 10 17:39:10 hmm Mar 10 17:39:12 so far from a ULead Mar 10 17:39:12 --- [XR]zWOlf is now known as [XR]zWolf-afk Mar 10 17:39:12 <[XR]Toxy> I could go just build my camp next to theirs without all this controversy Mar 10 17:39:13 <[XR]Osahar> I bid you farewell Mar 10 17:39:15 hahaha Mar 10 17:39:18 cya Oshar Mar 10 17:39:21 ack Mar 10 17:39:22 <-- [XR]Osahar has quit (Quit: The Rabble-rouser has lef the building) Mar 10 17:39:26 <[XR]zWolf-afk> bye osh Mar 10 17:39:29 But not overnight? Mar 10 17:39:45 a guild that size could do that overnight Mar 10 17:39:46 Teppy: how does Brick Rack Alignment work? Mar 10 17:39:50 an hour probably Mar 10 17:39:52 <[XR]Shakotah> we could, we have the resouces Mar 10 17:39:53 --- Yerap is now known as yerap|food Mar 10 17:39:53 <[xr]Nikare> yep Mar 10 17:39:54 or is he gone? Mar 10 17:39:57 <-- Shenzo[FoL] has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:40:12 We still don't have land control laws. Not much can be done until we figure that out. Mar 10 17:40:21 is there a ULead near crossroads? Mar 10 17:40:23 <[XR]Shakotah> voodoo is the brick mastah!! Mar 10 17:40:27 to force isolation, you must pass Land Ownership Mar 10 17:40:29 <[XR]Shakotah> yes Mar 10 17:40:32 Were the people who got moved exploited as was claimed on the forums? Mar 10 17:40:36 The bonfire "law" I liked best was along the lines of "No more than 10 of any single type of building may be built within X area" That stopps all bonfire/pottery wheel/drying rack/.... in its tracks. Mar 10 17:40:41 <[xr]Nikare> land wannts to be free!!! Mar 10 17:40:43 I mean ...exploiting a bug Mar 10 17:40:43 --> pojias (DisEntry@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:40:54 Nodjmet?!? Mar 10 17:40:56 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> ur late modjmet : read the forums Mar 10 17:41:02 hello there Teppy..been a while Mar 10 17:41:12 Doku: and makes placing brick racks SUCK Mar 10 17:41:14 Good to see you back! Mar 10 17:41:18 damn. .steel blade takes 6 min :\ Mar 10 17:41:42 but a brick rack isn't really a buiding.. it will poof if you leave it lying there. Mar 10 17:41:43 Gregd> I know, I've made 10 so far Mar 10 17:41:46 <[XR]Shakotah> ok, if problem not discussed im leaving, got to work Mar 10 17:41:46 --> Tchrin|atwork (tchrin@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:41:46 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Tchrin|atwork Mar 10 17:41:47 <[XR]Shakotah> bye Mar 10 17:41:47 --> Jadea (Ozz@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:41:48 Teppy[eGenesis]: [18:40] Teppy: how does Brick Rack Alignment work? Mar 10 17:41:49 --- ChanServ removes channel operator status from Tchrin|atwork Mar 10 17:41:56 <-- [XR]Shakotah has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.8.13c [Mozilla rv:1.3b/20030210]) Mar 10 17:42:01 <[XR]VoodooC> bye shak Mar 10 17:42:02 Your account is now paid forever. Mar 10 17:42:04 <[XR]Toxy> wikt Mar 10 17:42:12 I ran into The first Nefertari at a Convention and she mentioned you had got published..thought I'd come and have a look.. Mar 10 17:42:13 :P Mar 10 17:42:14 <[XR]Toxy> use it and you'll see :) Mar 10 17:42:18 but.. Mar 10 17:42:20 how? Mar 10 17:42:27 <[XR]Toxy> its under special Mar 10 17:42:31 <[XR]Toxy> you still have to drop them individually Mar 10 17:42:37 nothing Mar 10 17:42:45 <[XR]Toxy> but as you move from one brick rack to a new spot Mar 10 17:42:59 <[XR]VoodooC> lol ? Mar 10 17:43:11 <[XR]Toxy> it drops it in a row with the other racks instead of just the exact spot you're standing Mar 10 17:43:12 can you pay my account forever teppy? Mar 10 17:43:14 yeah, I was disappointed at the brick rack alignment... I thought I'd be able to just click and drop 9, and have a cute grid... :P Mar 10 17:43:15 <[XR]VoodooC> Teppy: how does Brick Rack Alignment work? Your account is now paid forever. Mar 10 17:43:17 For those that don't know, Nodjmet built most of Old Egypt. Mar 10 17:43:29 <[XR]VoodooC> oooers Mar 10 17:43:30 cool :) Mar 10 17:43:32 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> excellent Mar 10 17:43:39 <-- pojias has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 10 17:43:42 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> like the terraforming? Mar 10 17:43:42 <[XR]VoodooC> he's the guy to blame for not putting down the road i was askin about ;] Mar 10 17:43:43 <-- Tchrin|atwork has quit (Client closed connection) Mar 10 17:43:48 * [XR]Nehkara applauds Nodjmet Mar 10 17:43:52 <[XR]VoodooC> nice work nodjmet Mar 10 17:43:54 --> Tchrin|atwork (tchrin@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:43:55 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Tchrin|atwork Mar 10 17:43:55 *applauds* Mar 10 17:43:56 Teppy> I left you a couple notes. Hope you got them Mar 10 17:43:58 --- ChanServ removes channel operator status from Tchrin|atwork Mar 10 17:44:02 <[XR]Nehkara> except... we need zinc. lol Mar 10 17:44:06 Nodjmet> Nice work on the mountains Mar 10 17:44:13 * Nodjmet looks overwhelmed Mar 10 17:44:13 <[XR]Toxy> nodj, whats up with that mountain range with like a maze in the top of one of the mountains? Mar 10 17:44:17 Nodjmet! WHY don't have I more trees near my camp?! Mar 10 17:44:21 zzz... Mar 10 17:44:23 <[XR]Toxy> I went to the end and there wasn't anything special for me Mar 10 17:44:25 this looong way to rp... Mar 10 17:44:25 thanks for remembering me :) Mar 10 17:44:26 lol Mar 10 17:44:27 Nodjmet: I love the invisible mountain stream/pong/thing Mar 10 17:44:27 heh. Mar 10 17:44:28 Nodjmet! Mar 10 17:44:37 --> [XR]Osahar (DisEntry@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:44:37 Hi Tchrin Mar 10 17:44:39 Hiya Mar 10 17:44:42 Hows you? Mar 10 17:44:43 Bah. I don't think I've ever even met Nodjmet. Mar 10 17:44:50 but uhm. good to meet you :p Mar 10 17:44:52 <[XR]Toxy> and the water around the Circle of Osiris thing doesn't show up on the map Mar 10 17:44:54 Got them Yandros. I'll come check, although that's not really macroable the way it is now. Mar 10 17:45:10 <[XR]Toxy> and I used that water to do my initiation to the school of body Mar 10 17:45:15 <[XR]Toxy> maybe I should be banned for that... Mar 10 17:45:24 <[XR]Osahar> Toxy: yes Mar 10 17:45:24 Teppy> I was refering to the ones about Otter and the person from Kemet Mar 10 17:45:29 <[XR]Osahar> oh wait... Mar 10 17:45:34 <[XR]Osahar> thought you were BES... Mar 10 17:45:35 * Nodjmet waves to aukks Mar 10 17:45:39 now would be a good time for hershey to contact eGenesis Mar 10 17:45:44 <[XR]Toxy> seriously tho, it is odd that the water doesn't show up on the map Mar 10 17:45:58 <[XR]Osahar> Maybe it's below "see" level ;) Mar 10 17:45:59 <[XR]Osahar> AAAAHAHAHA Mar 10 17:46:06 ... Mar 10 17:46:08 Toxy, only water under a special z coords show up on map Mar 10 17:46:14 that bas damn bad, osahar. Mar 10 17:46:16 osa: you should be shot for that Mar 10 17:46:18 *was Mar 10 17:46:22 <[XR]Osahar> hehe Mar 10 17:46:24 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to otter Mar 10 17:46:24 <[xr]Nikare> can I buy a detailed map of any region ? Mar 10 17:46:30 <[XR]Osahar> waka waka? Mar 10 17:46:34 What the....just lost three loads of charcoal in a row....*boggle* Mar 10 17:46:35 I could use an account that's paid forever too. Teppy ;p Mar 10 17:46:38 you can download a detailed map of your region Mar 10 17:46:41 been working like a madman to get the redsea to show up as blue Mar 10 17:46:44 no, better yet, have all of your tents trample you Mar 10 17:46:52 Otter! *tackle hugs* Mar 10 17:46:55 gregd: where? Mar 10 17:46:59 hi otter. Mar 10 17:46:59 hi Mar 10 17:47:08 <[XR]Osahar> Nodjmet: you should see what we've done to OE... Mar 10 17:47:09 download a big map of egypt Mar 10 17:47:10 back on main computer Mar 10 17:47:17 then cut out the parts you don't need Mar 10 17:47:22 it's on mail atitd site Mar 10 17:47:27 <[XR]Osahar> we're slowly building the cube Mar 10 17:47:34 <[XR]Osahar> all will be assimilated soon Mar 10 17:47:34 XR, not too modest, are you? Mar 10 17:47:37 that map eats my computer alive Mar 10 17:47:38 --> Rockie (Rockie@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:47:43 so are we all friends now? Mar 10 17:47:44 <[xr]Nikare> I have sat maps of the region, gotta sort and past them Mar 10 17:47:53 <[XR]Osahar> aukks: actually, just trying to raise the mood Mar 10 17:47:57 oh, okay. Mar 10 17:48:01 OMGGGGG!!!! Mar 10 17:48:03 http://www.sd6.us/in.php?id=4009 Mar 10 17:48:03 well no sense of humor here, be gone! Mar 10 17:48:06 <-- Rockie (Rockie@152.78.191.92) has left #atitd Mar 10 17:48:07 <[XR]Osahar> easier to deal with happy people Mar 10 17:48:12 <[XR]Osahar> sigh...I know :( Mar 10 17:48:18 * Burtimus hands out happy pills. Mar 10 17:48:27 ahaaaaaaaaa Mar 10 17:48:29 <[XR]Osahar> Burtimus to the rescue! Mar 10 17:48:33 always Mar 10 17:48:35 so that's how aligning works Mar 10 17:48:39 i think there needs to be a group hug Mar 10 17:48:40 <-- Chaffinch has quit (Quit: Client Exiting) Mar 10 17:48:41 drowning in the nile? call Burtimus Mar 10 17:48:43 <[XR]Osahar> lol Mar 10 17:48:56 <[XR]Osahar> Burtimus! How do I cure my lag? Mar 10 17:48:56 <[XR]Toxy> you can put mines in the river??! Mar 10 17:49:01 I am positioning myself for the anthony and cleopatra episode. Mar 10 17:49:02 --> Nayla[COO]_afk (Eek@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:49:16 * Burtimus examines his crystal ball Mar 10 17:49:22 upgrade from the 8086 Mar 10 17:49:26 <[XR]Osahar> dammit Mar 10 17:49:28 Toxy: Duh. How else would you be able to mine fish? Mar 10 17:49:35 <[XR]Toxy> *rimshot* Mar 10 17:49:37 anyone got 2 tin and 1 aluminiun i can purchase Mar 10 17:49:43 <[XR]Osahar> Is there a way to ignore it? (Besides joining XR?) Mar 10 17:49:46 get your colts feet! Mar 10 17:49:48 I read Teppy's post in system Mar 10 17:49:54 am I too late? Mar 10 17:49:56 Burtimus> He's workign from an XT, not an 086 ;} Mar 10 17:49:57 <[XR]Toxy> you missed all teh funn Mar 10 17:50:05 --> Recursion (imnot@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:50:07 --> _Fully_ (fully@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:50:08 aahhhhh Mar 10 17:50:12 <-- Khatzesput has quit (Quit: rollt sich zusammen und schläft) Mar 10 17:50:15 --> Dors[BES] (Joe@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:50:17 <[XR]Toxy> there is still some residual arguing goign on in the forums tho Mar 10 17:50:21 Yeah, looks like we're done with our XR bashing. Mar 10 17:50:30 nice. Mar 10 17:50:30 <[XR]Osahar> whew Mar 10 17:50:35 back to Bes then? Mar 10 17:50:38 <[XR]Osahar> Hey look! It's Dors from BES! Mar 10 17:50:38 someone better stir the pot Mar 10 17:50:45 We are beginning to feel neglected ;) Mar 10 17:50:46 Heh, most big guilds seem to get their turn at being bashed for one thing or another Mar 10 17:50:49 * [XR]Osahar stirs Mar 10 17:50:50 anyone need female sheep? Mar 10 17:50:55 the rate of msging has dropped signif. Mar 10 17:50:56 james, don't we have our own tin mine? Mar 10 17:51:07 BES just gets more turns then most Mar 10 17:51:08 wrong question to ask here... all of xr are looking for female sheep. Mar 10 17:51:08 --> Magellan|Homework (magellan_t@152.78.191.92) has joined #ATITD Mar 10 17:51:08 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Magellan|Homework Mar 10 17:51:18 :) Mar 10 17:51:24 <[XR]Osahar> OOOHH...low blow! Mar 10 17:51:29 * [XR]Osahar sets Mar 10 17:51:31 Who is leading BES now? Mar 10 17:51:38 it, I guess. Mar 10 17:51:47 <[XR]VoodooC> lol: People seem to be taking this stuff a little too personally. You'd think Teppy and Crossroads killed your dog or something. Mar 10 17:51:48 <[XR]Osahar> hit it, Burtimus!...go for it! Mar 10 17:51:49 Meffi is very afk Mar 10 17:51:50 Bes is not exactly the most popular guild around currently :p Mar 10 17:51:50 question... when does saltpeter get introduced into the game? Mar 10 17:51:52 <-- Magellan|Homework has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 10 17:51:54 Vodalus appears periodically Mar 10 17:51:54 <[XR]VoodooC> (quoted from toxy) Mar 10 17:51:59 * Burtimus spikes Mar 10 17:52:02 <-- aziza has quit (Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby) Mar 10 17:52:02 <[XR]VoodooC> mmm female sheep Mar 10 17:52:04 Osahar>I was actually wondering how many would get that and how long it'dtake ;} Mar 10 17:52:07 Burt, it's in now Mar 10 17:52:10 <[XR]VoodooC> yes, all of our sheep died from 'sheep pox' Mar 10 17:52:10 You're the one that killed Fluffy! You bastards! Mar 10 17:52:11 burt, already is Mar 10 17:52:15 I would like the opportunity to make dynamite. Mar 10 17:52:17 ahhh Mar 10 17:52:18 You have to rot dung in a tub Mar 10 17:52:25 there is a mountain blocking my view. Mar 10 17:52:29 <[XR]VoodooC> i swear, it was the pox, the autopsy found no evidence of anything else Mar 10 17:52:33 <[XR]Osahar> hehe...YAY...a third sense of humor in the room! Mar 10 17:52:34 Why do people hate BES? Mar 10 17:52:39 hmmmm rotting dung Mar 10 17:52:47 Dynamite takes Fishing 7 to use properly Mar 10 17:52:50 <[XR]Osahar> BES is evil Mar 10 17:52:52 <[XR]Osahar> right? Mar 10 17:52:52 where?! where is my broom! Mar 10 17:52:56 <[XR]VoodooC> nodj: not anymore, we are stealing their thunder Mar 10 17:53:00 This does not explain the camel head I found in my tent. Mar 10 17:53:03 Nod: because they contribute public buildings in regions other than their own, apparently. Mar 10 17:53:06 <[XR]VoodooC> BES is actually in secret working for XR Mar 10 17:53:09 (the whole thing is baffling) Mar 10 17:53:10 because ? Mar 10 17:53:12 ah.... Mar 10 17:53:15 arrgh. Whoever thought of the interrelations of skills is bonkers. Mar 10 17:53:20 <[XR]Osahar> Saxamon: does this mean you accept our offer? You know you can't refuse it Mar 10 17:53:20 --> DiGuru (DiGuru@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:53:22 <[xr]Nikare> their own? Mar 10 17:53:23 Eat more! you'll know what is in the ground! Mar 10 17:53:26 It's all a deep conspiracy Mar 10 17:53:30 Nodjmet, well, people don't hate it, but bes has maybe been spreading its stuff too much around, or something. Mar 10 17:53:30 not sure why this is bad...saves the locals from doing it... Mar 10 17:53:34 how does this sound: "Bonfire Combustibility Act","One hour after being built, a bonfire with less than 1000 wood may be lit by anyone." Mar 10 17:53:42 <[xr]Nikare> I got building in 4 regions, is tghat a problem? Mar 10 17:53:50 yup Mar 10 17:53:50 Nod: as I said, it's a bit baffling :) Mar 10 17:53:51 <[XR]Toxy> and in an ironic trist, XR is also responsible for this chat room being more crowded than it should be Mar 10 17:53:53 tear em down Mar 10 17:53:57 nodjmet, well, the locals obviously WANT to do it, Bes is taking their fun away... Mar 10 17:54:00 Nodjmet: some of the locals would rather have the pleasure of building up their own infrastructure rather than having it handed to them. Mar 10 17:54:00 Osahar: Since you have been me an offer I can not refuse, I shall not refuse it. I think... Mar 10 17:54:07 Heph> Take out the quantity part and replace it with "wood only" Mar 10 17:54:08 It's possible that Bes were a little enthusiastic with our mining research Mar 10 17:54:09 Nodj, it's more the public mines they've been making Mar 10 17:54:20 Nodjemt, mines work alot differeent now, and making mine public griefs those who have mines around Mar 10 17:54:27 i still think there is plenty of space for everyone Mar 10 17:54:40 Nope. Close the game. all full :) Mar 10 17:54:40 I don't want to keep people from putting a 100k bonfire in their camp for looks Mar 10 17:54:42 <[xr]Nikare> bull Mar 10 17:54:43 Note that we only made those mines public after everyone shouted at us to do so Mar 10 17:54:46 * Nayla[COO]_afk says: inhabitants of Old Egypt, visit #OE to meet locals! Mar 10 17:54:49 <-- Caspian has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:55:00 antichaos, yeah, suuuure! you're evil, admit it! Mar 10 17:55:03 can you add anything to an unlit fire? Mar 10 17:55:05 <[XR]Osahar> right...should have done it right when it was found, antichaos Mar 10 17:55:08 anti: the irony is cutting, eh? Mar 10 17:55:08 <[xr]Nikare> nothing wrong with public anything, mines included Mar 10 17:55:11 <[XR]Toxy> papyrus and leeks aukks Mar 10 17:55:12 <-- Shaun[WTF] has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:55:14 <[XR]Toxy> to make ash Mar 10 17:55:14 --- Nayla[COO]_afk is now known as Nayla[COO] Mar 10 17:55:16 <[XR]Osahar> BES IS STILL EVIL Mar 10 17:55:19 Heph> IT wouldn't. All they'd needto do is add 1 papyrus, 1 leek, 1 flax or 1 limestone Mar 10 17:55:23 so all you need is 1 wood and 1 leek and it would pass the law Mar 10 17:55:28 toxy, ehm, I knew that yes... Mar 10 17:55:34 burning leeks. Mar 10 17:55:40 uh oh... forums go boom Mar 10 17:55:43 <[XR]Toxy> ah Mar 10 17:55:46 phpBB : Critical Error Mar 10 17:55:46 Could not connect to the database Mar 10 17:55:47 <[XR]Toxy> meant heph :) Mar 10 17:55:49 <[XR]Osahar> lol Mar 10 17:55:50 BES isn't evil, BES just make the odd mistake, and as they're a famous guild it gets noticed more Mar 10 17:55:54 <[XR]Toxy> scrolling text messed me up Mar 10 17:55:55 i can name a case where bes public buildings are... i wouldnt call it "bad". but maybe a nuisance? sinai. 1 public zinc mine on a vein of 40+ other zinc mines, 90% of which are owned by sinains themselves. nobody in sinai needs zinc, and if they do they can get it from us for dirt cheap costs. this public zinc mine is now level 8. my guild's 2 zinc mines are still level 1. Mar 10 17:55:58 <[XR]Osahar> XR has killed the forums Mar 10 17:55:59 yeah I know about the forums and the site, I'm looking into it Mar 10 17:56:02 "One hour after being built, a bonfire with less than 1000 wood may be lit by anyone." Mar 10 17:56:04 I just don't understand why a bonfire that's lying around in the middle of nowhere can't be lit up... y'know? Mar 10 17:56:22 how about "any bonfire may be lit by anyone"? Mar 10 17:56:22 if I remove the 1000 wood part, and say wood only, 1 wood + 1 leek = same problem again Mar 10 17:56:24 <[XR]Nehkara> lol Mar 10 17:56:28 need to enable gasoline to start fires. Mar 10 17:56:30 <[XR]Nehkara> Osahar Mar 10 17:56:31 <[XR]Nehkara> stop it! Mar 10 17:56:32 <[XR]Nehkara> lol Mar 10 17:56:35 However, now we know we cannot please most of the people any of the time, we are taking a rarther more relaxed view of things. Mar 10 17:56:46 <[XR]Osahar> fanning the flames...hehe Mar 10 17:56:46 so to hell with everyone? :) Mar 10 17:56:46 So, how is Egypt going to succeed when we can't stop fighting long enough to work together? Mar 10 17:56:48 <[XR]Nehkara> you're creating more anti-XR retoric Mar 10 17:56:50 We are off to such a bad start Mar 10 17:56:51 Varen> WAke up Mar 10 17:56:51 what, ignoring the criticism? Mar 10 17:57:00 <[XR]Toxy> talies: that goes under the same logic of "the sheep is just sitting in the pen with nobody arouund, I dont' see why I can't just take it" Mar 10 17:57:00 <[XR]Osahar> Rose: fight some more? Mar 10 17:57:02 Talies, I don't want to keep people from building 100k wood bonfires, unlit, in their camp Mar 10 17:57:11 <[XR]Osahar> It seems to be what happens in the real world... Mar 10 17:57:12 <[XR]Toxy> it doesn't make real-world sense, but it makes the game work Mar 10 17:57:26 * Yandros{7L} prepares a bone to pick with Varen. Mar 10 17:57:43 Think of what we could accomplish if Egypt were really working together instead of continuing this competitive and back-biting spirit Mar 10 17:57:43 <-- zizlik has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 17:57:50 --- Wikt[Sinai] is now known as Wikt[CurrentlyOMWtoRP] Mar 10 17:57:51 well, for anyone who is tired of the politicking in the big clans... come join me! :) I offer communal living, a massage parlour and a waterside apt. Mar 10 17:57:55 <[XR]Nehkara> Rosethorn Mar 10 17:57:57 <[XR]VoodooC> XR is working together, you all should try it :D Mar 10 17:58:00 <[XR]Nehkara> it's human nature Mar 10 17:58:00 are there people near crossroads willing to sign it? Mar 10 17:58:01 <[XR]Nehkara> lol Mar 10 17:58:08 Bring back the UGE! Mar 10 17:58:13 <[XR]Osahar> Burtimus: Is there a concubine? Voodoo won't let us have one! Mar 10 17:58:15 <-- Clubbers[Sphinx]-work has quit (Client closed connection) Mar 10 17:58:17 there is 3 Mar 10 17:58:21 <[XR]Osahar> SWEET! Mar 10 17:58:23 Rose: the people who get a kick out of fighting will eventually get bored and leave, since competition is not an effective strategy and they will find themselves unable to advance. Mar 10 17:58:28 <[XR]VoodooC> wtf you mean wont let you have one Mar 10 17:58:32 <[XR]VoodooC> i said put it up as a proposal :D Mar 10 17:58:36 Forums are back Mar 10 17:58:39 Give' er Mar 10 17:58:42 <[XR]Osahar> Bah...but he already has THREE! Mar 10 17:58:47 <[XR]Nehkara> Dria, I certainly hope so Mar 10 17:58:50 my concubines are up and running. Mar 10 17:59:06 dria - that would be nice :) Mar 10 17:59:10 --> Khaemhet (chatzilla@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 17:59:11 nehk: I think it's inevitable Mar 10 17:59:11 <[XR]Osahar> Hey everyone...Tchrin fixed the forums...please go post about XR some more to keep him busy at work ;) Mar 10 17:59:25 Psst... any concubines apply to: Riverside Apts, -1500, 5000 c/o Burtimus Mar 10 17:59:32 we =might= get everyone to figure out that cooperation is the play of the day by, oh, third Telling or so. Mar 10 17:59:35 <-- antichaos[BES] has quit (Quit: In the words of my ex-girlfriend "I'm leaving you") Mar 10 17:59:52 <[XR]Osahar> lol antichaos Mar 10 17:59:56 "We don't have any vines right now, but thanks for the carp fish!" -- That's after I blew f-ing 23+ hours of WP time going back home to get the carp and back... Mar 10 17:59:59 <[XR]Osahar> what a great leaving msg Mar 10 18:00:07 i honestly dont think if things continue as they ahve been, we'll finish the first telling Mar 10 18:00:07 yeah Mar 10 18:00:13 This one is nasty Mar 10 18:00:14 we are only 1 month in, look how complicated a lot of the things are Mar 10 18:00:15 I just scored a vine. =D Mar 10 18:00:16 Rose: oh, we'll finish. Mar 10 18:00:20 can you imagine the complexity in 6 months? Mar 10 18:00:21 hehe Mar 10 18:00:25 This is half the fun though Mar 10 18:00:26 I just doubt we'll get very far :) Mar 10 18:00:30 only took me 2 hours of handing in carp Mar 10 18:00:31 it's not us vs you... Mar 10 18:00:35 it's us working together. Mar 10 18:00:37 what good techs up on RP? glass blowing? Mar 10 18:00:39 <[XR]Osahar> Pinganon macros! GET HIM! Mar 10 18:00:41 When will people figure that out Mar 10 18:00:42 haha Mar 10 18:00:47 * Pinganon flees. Mar 10 18:00:50 talies: tell that to the people with 5,000 bonfires around their camps :) Mar 10 18:00:51 and where is the limestone love??? Mar 10 18:00:52 I don't know Talies Mar 10 18:00:53 <-- [xr]Nikare has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 10 18:00:57 <[XR]Nehkara> Teppy is standing here at the UoW in RP... I'm getting scared because he isn't saying much Mar 10 18:01:00 talies: as I said, probably sometime during the third Telling ;) Mar 10 18:01:01 I'm sure this has been beaten to death but what about the prospects of roving raiding parties? I mean that was a reality Mar 10 18:01:11 only problem is I have to run home because I have no Nav time. Mar 10 18:01:13 OH, I thought I saw Pharoah there. Mar 10 18:01:13 Doubtful Burtimus Mar 10 18:01:15 might help with the 'ahem' overcrowding. ") Mar 10 18:01:32 So, anyone see the spot in 7L that had Stranger written across a cliff in red? Mar 10 18:01:36 <[XR]Osahar> Burtimus...will THEY have concubines? and do they recruit at overcrowded places they raid? Mar 10 18:01:42 that a joke Yandros? Mar 10 18:01:46 No, Rose Mar 10 18:01:49 wow Mar 10 18:01:49 seems a bit strange that you can take a sheep from a pen but you can't take something from a chest Mar 10 18:01:50 where at? Mar 10 18:01:53 So what is the point of going to the UofW in RP to get vines if they UofW in RP doesn't have them yet?? Mar 10 18:02:01 oh.. Mar 10 18:02:03 * [XR]VoodooC hides his passport with the 7L stamp Mar 10 18:02:06 concubines everywhere Mar 10 18:02:06 Half way between the 7LCO area and the FoA area Mar 10 18:02:13 doesnt' RP have auto grass making culture? Mar 10 18:02:14 <[XR]Osahar> You CAN take a sheep from pens? Mar 10 18:02:22 It's faded now so you have to look closely Mar 10 18:02:23 at least he didnt hide it under the soap. Mar 10 18:02:28 I'm at crossroads with this petition: "One hour after being built, a bonfire with less than 1000 wood may be lit by anyone." Mar 10 18:02:30 :D Mar 10 18:02:36 Was that there before Yandros? or is that new Mar 10 18:02:40 --> Shaun[WTF] (shaun_WTF_@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 18:02:42 wikt:we have gardeninbg if thats what you mean Mar 10 18:02:44 It's a new newbie area Mar 10 18:02:49 i wonder if that is Teppy's way of saying the stranger was at work with the limestone fiasco in 7L Mar 10 18:02:53 I still don't understand why Voodoo gets to be the Stranger. I think I would have been a much better Stranger. I'm way more strange than voodoo. Mar 10 18:02:56 <[XR]VoodooC> i actually dont think a bonfire act is going to fix the problem heph Mar 10 18:02:59 oh, gardening Mar 10 18:03:00 ok Mar 10 18:03:06 <[XR]Osahar> Wikt: I think they also have auto pyramid building and super veggie hormone unlocked. Oh yeah, and there's an adamantium vein by the UoW Mar 10 18:03:09 how much an auto grass thing cost? Mar 10 18:03:11 VoodooC, it will fix part of the problem Mar 10 18:03:12 Saxamon> Because Voodoo is stranger then any 5 people combined Mar 10 18:03:21 <[XR]VoodooC> bwa Mar 10 18:03:24 19:03] <[XR]Osahar> Wikt: I think they also have auto pyramid building and super veggie hormone unlocked. Oh yeah, and there's an adamantium vein by the UoW: right Mar 10 18:03:29 ¬È Mar 10 18:03:33 ¬¬* Mar 10 18:03:35 <[XR]Osahar> hehe Mar 10 18:03:38 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> 5 seems harsh, perhaps only 3 people? Mar 10 18:03:45 a green house? im not sure, but it auto gatheres 100 grass anhour Mar 10 18:03:49 Teppy: if you are watching, - you said the stranger was at work, will we find out after the fact in some cases that he was involved? Mar 10 18:03:50 <[XR]Osahar> but yes, gardening is unlocked Mar 10 18:03:53 so is anyone trading limestone? Mar 10 18:03:53 but how much in $? Mar 10 18:03:56 <[XR]VoodooC> i dont know why everyone is complaining about our research contributions. we just unlocked hvy machine gun and jetpack in OE Mar 10 18:03:58 <[XR]Osahar> greenhouses are expensive i think Mar 10 18:04:04 Pinstripe> Get to know him better ;} Mar 10 18:04:09 *smiles* Mar 10 18:04:21 only 1000 more paper is needed Mar 10 18:04:34 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> yadros: He's my roommate :) Mar 10 18:04:34 <-- Jadea has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 18:04:36 and then we can build a regional chat channel in game and hopefully be able to coordinate research better Mar 10 18:04:43 Anyone figured out how to reproduce onion or garlic seeds yet? Mar 10 18:04:44 Talies> WE're trading it in 7L, just need to finish catching up on the big orders now Mar 10 18:04:49 <[XR]Osahar> Yeah! XR with heavy machine guns and jetpacks....first the XR Valley...then the universities...YOU'RE NEXT! Mar 10 18:05:00 if XR wasn't busy griefing OE, they would have made 2000 paper by now Mar 10 18:05:04 <[XR]VoodooC> rosethorn: you can do that in-game now Mar 10 18:05:06 unitl we have a regional chat channel: #OE Mar 10 18:05:06 [XR]VoodooC: *rolls eyes* Mar 10 18:05:08 Pinstripe> Then you should have been saying 8 instead of 5 ;} Mar 10 18:05:09 <[XR]Nehkara> LOL Mar 10 18:05:11 --> DStroy (unknown@152.78.191.92) has joined #atitd Mar 10 18:05:12 Sax - how is OMG doing with research contribution Mar 10 18:05:14 <[XR]Nehkara> We're griefing? Mar 10 18:05:14 Khaemhet yeah but it has an x rating Mar 10 18:05:14 <[XR]VoodooC> thats what i dont understand, everyone is trying to pass these grand sweeping laws Mar 10 18:05:16 <[XR]Nehkara> LOL Mar 10 18:05:16 mmmm Mar 10 18:05:16 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> lol ! Mar 10 18:05:18 How so VoodooC? Mar 10 18:05:18 I'm getting bored trading garlic for leeks and cabbage.. heh. Mar 10 18:05:19 <[XR]VoodooC> when we have almost all the tools we need Mar 10 18:05:38 I vote no on 95% of laws Mar 10 18:05:46 <[XR]VoodooC> using guilds in clever ways Mar 10 18:05:49 <[XR]VoodooC> is part of the challenge Mar 10 18:05:51 Rosethorn-VN: We sent 600 paper to trade today. I'm sending 2 large, 2 medium, and 20 small gears towards automation shortly. Mar 10 18:05:55 the costs to build a 200 person guild hall would be insane Mar 10 18:05:58 why is nobody at crossroads? :P Mar 10 18:05:59 i.e. nearly impossible Mar 10 18:06:02 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> Teppy: How about Nayla's Suggestion of regional IRC channels? Mar 10 18:06:06 It's funny to see the same goodie-two-shoe socialist types from real life come into the game and try to pass all of their utopian BS laws, though. Mar 10 18:06:07 <[XR]VoodooC> heph: were all in irc now Mar 10 18:06:09 ok great Sax :) Mar 10 18:06:17 <[XR]Osahar> Heph we're all here in defense.... Mar 10 18:06:19 *sighs* we can't afford 7L prices Mar 10 18:06:20 <[XR]Osahar> hmm...wait... Mar 10 18:06:24 <[XR]Osahar> no more attack.... Mar 10 18:06:27 <[XR]Osahar> bye Mar 10 18:06:27 <[XR]VoodooC> kha: im a goody-two-shoe socialist type, im trying to implement utopia from the ground up :D Mar 10 18:06:28 <-- Deadite66 has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 18:06:31 Pinstripe - Advanced trade will create a structure that will be used as a regional chat channel Mar 10 18:06:36 <-- ImotepReturns[NRP] has quit (Quit: ) Mar 10 18:06:38 * Yandros{7L} sent all but the rope for needed for Deep Well to research in 7L. Mar 10 18:06:44 Which is why I want it opened so badly Mar 10 18:06:47 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> that was not a suggestion but a fact ... visit #OE on irc Mar 10 18:06:48 need some more signers :) Mar 10 18:06:50 <[XR]VoodooC> yeah we do too Mar 10 18:06:51 <[XR]VoodooC> rose Mar 10 18:06:55 <[XR]VoodooC> weve been drooling over that Mar 10 18:07:04 If you think the laws being voted on are bad, you should see some of the idiotic things I've been asked to sign for petition are. Mar 10 18:07:09 <[XR]Mr_Pinstripe> k thx rosethorn oh sweet thx nayla Mar 10 18:07:11 <[XR]Osahar> Once again, read our forums, Rose Mar 10 18:07:12 --- Wikt[CurrentlyOMWtoRP] is now known as Wikt[Homework] Mar 10 18:07:21 this bonfire petition won't stop all crowding problems, but its a start on part of the problem, if people want it more strict, they can pass a law that is more strict after this passes Mar 10 18:07:26 we're an agro guild nowhere close to the nile, so no ores, no paper, puts us out of bidding on 7L limestone. Mar 10 18:07:28 ANyone else? Mar 10 18:07:30 <[XR]Osahar> It's all we've been talking about, this adv trade and upping OE research thing Mar 10 18:07:59 Talies> You can't afford 1 canvas for 40 limestone? Mar 10 18:08:09 What, you're trading canvas now? Mar 10 18:08:13 we have a petition started over nuisance structures by looky loos... people who don't register after their free trial is up. The area is crowded with planers Mar 10 18:08:20 Have been for well over a week already Mar 10 18:08:20 Last I heard it was only ores that we didn't have Mar 10 18:08:24 <[XR]Osahar> Anyone else think it'd be fun to coordinate bonfire lightings through IRC to see if we can make one in real life at the server? Mar 10 18:08:26 Talies: nope Mar 10 18:08:28 we have coltsfoot mushrooms avail